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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by reddirt14
I saw a recommendation in another post that I really like. Why not increase the mileage requirement of 1Ks to 150,000 BIS miles per year. That seems reasonable. I'm tired of these light 1Ks who fly 100,000 miles for $2,500 a year sitting next to me when I spend $25,000+ flying about 100 segments a year. It downgrades the experience. Let's make 1K real and get rid of the 100K flyers, they can fall into that 75K bracket. And it will make the million milers happy (those who use to be 2nd level for life...now third best, soon to be fourth, fifth and then nothing... ).

Anyway, I'm settling into the idea of 125 segments for 1K, so let's heat it up a bit and ask the mileage runners to put some real skin in the game before they put their feet on that incredible red carpet we've all grown to fancy.
Your average spend per ticket is $250, my average spend per ticket is $1100, I did 100,000 plus BIS with 24 EQS in 2010 all TATL. Not sure why UA would want to get rid of me.

I do have sympathy with the number of EQS that you now need though. I guess UA has done their homework on this one to try and drive extra revenue out of people like you, ie. they know that you will try and achieve the extra EQS. Perhaps the best reponse would be for those that rely on EQS to vote with their feet and go to other airlines rather than increasing the UA coffers.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 2:57 pm
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2011 Mileage Plus and OnePass elite program developments

Someone said that some people can make 1K for around $ 2,500 - please tell me how to do that ? I spend considerably more than that ( my own dime ).
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by reddirt14
I saw a recommendation in another post that I really like. Why not increase the mileage requirement of 1Ks to 150,000 BIS miles per year. That seems reasonable. I'm tired of these light 1Ks who fly 100,000 miles for $2,500 a year sitting next to me when I spend $25,000+ flying about 100 segments a year. It downgrades the experience. Let's make 1K real and get rid of the 100K flyers, they can fall into that 75K bracket. And it will make the million milers happy (those who use to be 2nd level for life...now third best, soon to be fourth, fifth and then nothing... ).

Anyway, I'm settling into the idea of 125 segments for 1K, so let's heat it up a bit and ask the mileage runners to put some real skin in the game before they put their feet on that incredible red carpet we've all grown to fancy.
When you sit next to someone on a plane, how do you know what they spend? I am a fairly cheap 1K, but I am quiet, polite, and well-behaved. How does sitting next to me cheapen your experience?
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by last2board
When you sit next to someone on a plane, how do you know what they spend? I am a fairly cheap 1K, but I am quiet, polite, and well-behaved. How does sitting next to me cheapen your experience?
It doesn't, unless you're the one in the aisle seat instead of me!
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by reddirt14
I saw a recommendation in another post that I really like. .....
really best to mark posts as sarcasm, so might think you are really proposing this.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF
It doesn't, unless you're the one in the aisle seat instead of me!
We're cool as I prefer the window and rarely need to get up on transcons!
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
really best to mark posts as sarcasm, so might think you are really proposing this.
WineCountry - you have a good sense to you. Yes it was sarcasm. I'm quite twirked at UA's lack of consideration for the segment guys. It's absolutely ridiculous. There have been some Mileage guys that have stood up in arms, with their comrads, but I felt that a point needed to be made here. UA is widdling away at our benefits (earned or not - I understand that debate). I wanted people to see that UA picked off the weaker folks first, the segment guys. We all know segment guys bring in as much or more revenue than mileage guys, but it's a painful way to make status and there aren't alot of them. So they reduce there benefits first, then comes the mileage guys. A little slip to 120,000 miles, no big deal, after all, the segment guys eventually accepted 120 segments, so it all makes sense. Oh and then the million mile guys, well, why exactly do they get benefits at a "mere" million miles...perhaps that should be 2 million miles. It is uite the slippery slope.

I hope that we all stand up, as some are doing, and complain about changes that hurt our fellow FTers. Yes I realize UA is trying to squeeze a buck out of us, it's a market environment, it's business. But I'd ask that they first look internally and cut the fat and stupidity out of their operations before chopping benefits from their loyal fliers who are on the edge of jumping ship.

I've started to calm down a bit, and will likely stay with UA if they can somehow keep it within themselves to maintain status quo. I don't think AA is going to offer us their top status (although I hope they would). If that were the case I would likely jump ship. But I'm not thrilled earning top status on AA the hardway. All that said, if UA decides to eliminate E+, I am absolutely gone. I have another 15-20 years of flying ahead of me, and likely to be 100K or so most of those years (of course none of us really know that with certainty). I know it's not much, but I bet ther are more of me out there, and it is something UA should start factoring into their decisions.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 7:15 pm
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10 year 1K LAX-SFO / LAX -ASE average LAX-ASE R/T for me $500 avg LAX-SFO for me $200 YET I am now having to fly an additional 20 segments while mileage 1K's remain at 100K.

I have tried to understand-just do not get it
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 7:51 pm
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Originally Posted by chavada
Someone said that some people can make 1K for around $ 2,500 - please tell me how to do that ? I spend considerably more than that ( my own dime ).
Check out this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...+did+you+spend

There are several posters who claim to spend as little as $2500 - $3000. If you consider LGA-SFO-SYD is roughly 20k EQMs all it takes if 5 round-trips in the $600-$700 range to equal ~$3000. With vouchers and other certs you can bring that down even further.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by mrswirl
Check out this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...+did+you+spend

There are several posters who claim to spend as little as $2500 - $3000. If you consider LGA-SFO-SYD is roughly 20k EQMs all it takes if 5 round-trips in the $600-$700 range to equal ~$3000. With vouchers and other certs you can bring that down even further.
Anyone who is willing to endure the torture of 5 R/T in Y (even E+) from LGA to SYD deserve to make 1K. And then for what? The next year, to use the SWUs, you will have to book fares higher than the $600-$700.

So go ahead and game the system, if you can.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 6:10 am
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1K Voice very busy these days

I just sent an e-mail to 1K Voice on an unrelated matter and received the following automated response:
"Normally, we respond to requests within 2 business days. Currently we are experiencing very high email volumes so there may be a delay in our response to you. We are currently responding to emails within 5 days.

We are doing everything possible to respond as soon as we can. We regret that our current volumes are not allowing us to meet the level of service you expect. We very much appreciate your patience during this time."

Well, unless United's operation performance has been sub par recently, they must be getting an earful from the 1Ks regarding the "program developments" that will "benefit" us and that Mr. Smisek keeps describing as changes "I think you will like" before each on board safety video.

I just cannot imagine that they'll stay put with so many outraged reactions coming to them through every single communication line. I wonder how long it will take before we get an update on this new FF program.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by szbenny
I just cannot imagine that they'll stay put with so many outraged reactions coming to them through every single communication line. I wonder how long it will take before we get an update on this new FF program.
I think that they should have made the merged FF program, especially with respect to elite levels and perks, as close to MP as possible because MP is, by far, the better program. They can still do it by rescinding the increase in EQS requirement for 1K qualification, and making the 1P+ level just another rung within 1P that just gets upgrade priority at 75K EQM/90 EQS and a couple of CR1s, and leaving all else unchanged...

ARE YOU READING THIS, UNITED PR?
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 7:13 am
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And here is a kicker... By rescinding the changes you'll probably come out better than any estimates you have for excluding folks flying under 120 segments. It comes down to Customer retention. The other programs give top elite status at 100 segments. If you move to 120 segments, your program becomes less desireable and you lose customers that bring you regular revenue.

Also note that AA is not following suit and boosting their segments up to 120 segments for the highest elite level. I suspect they saw the backlash here, some early converts and a few threads with over 50 people in just the UA FT forum looking to convert before we are even in to 2011.

The decision wasn't a good one, but you have a chance to say face and earn the loyalty of some good customers back. This is the time to act. Hesitation builds more resintment with your customers. Listen to the customers, act fast and make it right. You will benefit more from good decisions than bad (that's inteligent - huh?).

Last edited by reddirt14; Nov 29, 2010 at 1:48 pm Reason: Mistyped...meant to say "...not following suit..."
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by reddirt14

Also note that AA is following suit and boosting their segments up to 120 segments for the highest elite level. \
Did I miss something on the AA forum? While this may happen, I haven't sen any announcement of it. Are you speaking hypothetical, or is this the current case?
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by fastair
Did I miss something on the AA forum? While this may happen, I haven't sen any announcement of it. Are you speaking hypothetical, or is this the current case?
The guy is either clueless or his typing needs some work.

You have not missed anything, as over at the dAArk side, Executive Platinum is still at 100 segments.
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