2011 Mileage Plus and OnePass elite program developments
#1186




Join Date: Dec 2005
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I have yet to see a lie flat seat on UA TPAC service, at least not on the triple 7.
And I am not a UA basher. But those manual seats in Biz are a disgrace. I defected from DL after the "merger" with NW, but the NW seats were a million times more sophisticated and comfortable than the current UA seats operated by pulling levers and making things move by shifting weight and or assisting by hand. And NW had those seats for at least 5 years before I joined UA in 2008.
Sort of sad for a supposedly "World Class" Airline. Come to think of it, during my NW years I flew CO quite often. Their BF seats are miles ahead of UA's ( talking TPAC here ). I have never flown the reconfigured UA birds, which I understand are exclusively TATL.
And I am not a UA basher. But those manual seats in Biz are a disgrace. I defected from DL after the "merger" with NW, but the NW seats were a million times more sophisticated and comfortable than the current UA seats operated by pulling levers and making things move by shifting weight and or assisting by hand. And NW had those seats for at least 5 years before I joined UA in 2008.
Sort of sad for a supposedly "World Class" Airline. Come to think of it, during my NW years I flew CO quite often. Their BF seats are miles ahead of UA's ( talking TPAC here ). I have never flown the reconfigured UA birds, which I understand are exclusively TATL.
#1187




Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: US
Programs: AA/UA/DL
Posts: 2,821
You may think it's easier for you to upgrade since there are fewer 1Ks.
I bet the new COUA will make you much harder to use your upgrade instruments even there are fewer 1Ks in the future.
Enjoy your upgrades now.
When it's too hard to upgrade, the Angled Lie-Flat seats are still better than
E+......wait.....will E+ still there??
I have yet to see a lie flat seat on UA TPAC service, at least not on the triple 7.
And I am not a UA basher. But those manual seats in Biz are a disgrace. I defected from DL after the "merger" with NW, but the NW seats were a million times more sophisticated and comfortable than the current UA seats operated by pulling levers and making things move by shifting weight and or assisting by hand. And NW had those seats for at least 5 years before I joined UA in 2008.
Sort of sad for a supposedly "World Class" Airline. Come to think of it, during my NW years I flew CO quite often. Their BF seats are miles ahead of UA's ( talking TPAC here ). I have never flown the reconfigured UA birds, which I understand are exclusively TATL.
And I am not a UA basher. But those manual seats in Biz are a disgrace. I defected from DL after the "merger" with NW, but the NW seats were a million times more sophisticated and comfortable than the current UA seats operated by pulling levers and making things move by shifting weight and or assisting by hand. And NW had those seats for at least 5 years before I joined UA in 2008.
Sort of sad for a supposedly "World Class" Airline. Come to think of it, during my NW years I flew CO quite often. Their BF seats are miles ahead of UA's ( talking TPAC here ). I have never flown the reconfigured UA birds, which I understand are exclusively TATL.
ORD-NRT
SFO-NRT
LAX-NRT (Seasonal)
ORD-HKG
Last edited by iluv2fly; Nov 30, 2010 at 8:48 pm Reason: merge
#1188


Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: TPE, SF, DC
Programs: UA Lifetime GS 4mm
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I have yet to see a lie flat seat on UA TPAC service, at least not on the triple 7.
And I am not a UA basher. But those manual seats in Biz are a disgrace. I defected from DL after the "merger" with NW, but the NW seats were a million times more sophisticated and comfortable than the current UA seats operated by pulling levers and making things move by shifting weight and or assisting by hand. And NW had those seats for at least 5 years before I joined UA in 2008.
Sort of sad for a supposedly "World Class" Airline. Come to think of it, during my NW years I flew CO quite often. Their BF seats are miles ahead of UA's ( talking TPAC here ). I have never flown the reconfigured UA birds, which I understand are exclusively TATL.
And I am not a UA basher. But those manual seats in Biz are a disgrace. I defected from DL after the "merger" with NW, but the NW seats were a million times more sophisticated and comfortable than the current UA seats operated by pulling levers and making things move by shifting weight and or assisting by hand. And NW had those seats for at least 5 years before I joined UA in 2008.
Sort of sad for a supposedly "World Class" Airline. Come to think of it, during my NW years I flew CO quite often. Their BF seats are miles ahead of UA's ( talking TPAC here ). I have never flown the reconfigured UA birds, which I understand are exclusively TATL.
#1189
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Which is why the current MP levels were just about right. There was no need to create a 1P+ level to accommodate the CO PEs. They had already been given a full year (2011) to "catch up" and to get used to the top elite being 1K (100k EQM/ 100 EQS). The creation of the 75K EQM/90 EQS pseudo-level is the root of the current gymnastics about "aligning" the two programs. It would have been sufficient to just treat the 75K EQM/90 EQS level as just a rung within 1P (which it has always been in MP) and give them a couple of perks (upgrade priority and a couple of CR1s -- call it elite choice++) and don't change anything else! I bet that if they implement something like that that preserves much of the current MP -- i.e., the better FF program -- there will be fewer disgruntled members...
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Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT
I have yet to see a lie flat seat on UA TPAC service, at least not on the triple 7.
I'd also add great DAILY TPAC flights that use 747-400 with flat, motorized seats:
UA 857 SFO->PVG
UA 858 PVG-SFO
UA 869 SFO-HKG
& MORE...
Last edited by UA1K4EVER; Nov 30, 2010 at 9:26 pm
#1191




Join Date: May 2003
Location: Philadelphia, LAX, Paris
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I for one am happy with the changes.... fewer 1Ks to compete with, no change in CR1 as I fly at least 150k.
Thanks UA!
I think the SWU program is the best among the big three. On DL, you can only use them on high price fares. On AA, the C seats aren't lie flat. I have had really good luck with the UGs (miles and SWU) on UA. 19 of 20 last year and 22 of 24 this year on TPAC.
Thanks UA!
I think the SWU program is the best among the big three. On DL, you can only use them on high price fares. On AA, the C seats aren't lie flat. I have had really good luck with the UGs (miles and SWU) on UA. 19 of 20 last year and 22 of 24 this year on TPAC.
My SWU success rate for 2010 has been 100% for TATL and TPAC flights: 10 of 10 (have 1 more TPAC, so we'll see if I will stay at 100% or not, but it's still not bad). So to me, the SWUs are far from worthless.
For UDU, I have been in E+ exactly 2 times this year, out of ~30 flights.
I do love the concept of having less 1K members to compete for my upgrade

I've said it before, and I will say it again: all malcontents, UA bashers, and whiners of all sort, can LEAVE NOW. Thank you.
#1192
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#1193
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Agree with you 100%!
My SWU success rate for 2010 has been 100% for TATL and TPAC flights: 10 of 10 (have 1 more TPAC, so we'll see if I will stay at 100% or not, but it's still not bad). So to me, the SWUs are far from worthless.
For UDU, I have been in E+ exactly 2 times this year, out of ~30 flights.
I do love the concept of having less 1K members to compete for my upgrade
I've said it before, and I will say it again: all malcontents, UA bashers, and whiners of all sort, can LEAVE NOW. Thank you.
My SWU success rate for 2010 has been 100% for TATL and TPAC flights: 10 of 10 (have 1 more TPAC, so we'll see if I will stay at 100% or not, but it's still not bad). So to me, the SWUs are far from worthless.
For UDU, I have been in E+ exactly 2 times this year, out of ~30 flights.
I do love the concept of having less 1K members to compete for my upgrade

I've said it before, and I will say it again: all malcontents, UA bashers, and whiners of all sort, can LEAVE NOW. Thank you.
So, please join us in trying to ensure that as much of the current version of MP as possible is retained....
#1194




Join Date: Sep 2009
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But what if I like the changes. In particular it seems like UA could be setting up for a new tier over 1k (e.g. 125k EQM like DL). The 120 EQS could be the first step. The other possibility is that they're trying to maintain a certain percentage of 1k and they needed to boost up the EQS requirement because CO had a lot of short hop (high EQS) fliers.
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But what if I like the changes. In particular it seems like UA could be setting up for a new tier over 1k (e.g. 125k EQM like DL). The 120 EQS could be the first step. The other possibility is that they're trying to maintain a certain percentage of 1k and they needed to boost up the EQS requirement because CO had a lot of short hop (high EQS) fliers.
The unfairness of the higher EQS requirement for the 1K EQS qualifiers is that it makes it seem like for no apparent reason, EQSs have suddenly been devalued compared to EQMs. Although I am an EQM qualifier, I do understand how this might tick off EQS qualifiers... do you?
#1196


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The unfairness of the higher EQS requirement for the 1K EQS qualifiers is that it makes it seem like for no apparent reason, EQSs have suddenly been devalued compared to EQMs. Although I am an EQM qualifier, I do understand how this might tick off EQS qualifiers... do you?
Remember Helen Slater in "The Legend of Billie Jean"? Perhaps this could be the new rallying cry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClVGVsXyY-c
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Only for those making 1K on EQS. I didn't see the 2P or 1P ratio being unfair. Why should 1K have a different EQS/EQM ratio than everyone else? Perhaps the whole ratio is flawed from beginning to end, but to have a single outlier put in line with all of the other plateau requirements doesn't seem unfair, but rather by definition, it is now fair, when previous, it wasn't. Anomalies to a standard system are where inequities lie. Inequities are unfair, while equal treatment seems to be fair.
Remember Helen Slater in "The Legend of Billie Jean"? Perhaps this could be the new rallying cry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClVGVsXyY-c
Remember Helen Slater in "The Legend of Billie Jean"? Perhaps this could be the new rallying cry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClVGVsXyY-c
Last edited by UA1K4EVER; Dec 1, 2010 at 12:21 am
#1198


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Are you an EQM or EQS qualifier? If the latter and you still maintain that the higher EQS requirement is "fair" then your capacity for "accommodation" is truly commendable. I have traveled all year and have reached just 47.5 EQS (but over 110K EQM). I cannot imagine doing the equivalent of 25 EQS more (58K more EQM at my rate) to just reach a status that another member in the same program does not have to do anything extra for... (that is the very definition of "unfairness", ain't it?).
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But what if I like the changes. In particular it seems like UA could be setting up for a new tier over 1k (e.g. 125k EQM like DL). The 120 EQS could be the first step. The other possibility is that they're trying to maintain a certain percentage of 1k and they needed to boost up the EQS requirement because CO had a lot of short hop (high EQS) fliers.
#1200




Join Date: Sep 2009
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The unfairness of the higher EQS requirement for the 1K EQS qualifiers is that it makes it seem like for no. apparent reason, EQSs have suddenly been devalued compared to EQMs. Although I am an EQM qualifier, I do understand how this might tick off EQS qualifiers... do you?

