Dec '09 UA Security Procedures-operational changes on INTERNATIONAL flights? [Merged]
#76
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What the hell is the world coming to?
So now my 14 hour flight next week to HKG, I won't have any IFE... wait don't even tell me. I'll just bring some sleeping pills and call it entertainment.
THIS IS @$*&*$^@$!
I can't believe my 2010 will start off like this.
Also, they say it will be unpredictable, how the hell is that even possible? What if you are a road warrior, or gosh an mileage runner. This is @*$&*)$^*^@*!
This makes me soooo pissed off!!!
Is anyone else as mad as I am?
So now my 14 hour flight next week to HKG, I won't have any IFE... wait don't even tell me. I'll just bring some sleeping pills and call it entertainment.
THIS IS @$*&*$^@$!
I can't believe my 2010 will start off like this.
Also, they say it will be unpredictable, how the hell is that even possible? What if you are a road warrior, or gosh an mileage runner. This is @*$&*)$^*^@*!
This makes me soooo pissed off!!!
Is anyone else as mad as I am?
1. I usually carry on two bags -- a smallish rolling computer bag and a backpack. The backpack contains whatever I will need in flight and goes under the seat. This time, I'll put them both in a single roll-a-board, just in case the "1 carry on" thing is imposed.
2. I just ordered one of these for overnight delivery. I should have it by Tuesday:
http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/E...n_Jacket.shtml
I'll use its 25 pockets to hold, at least, my iPod, my earbuds (in case I can't use the QC15s that I just bought), and a couple of extended-battery thingies so, at least, my iPod will last through the trip. I also can't stand the coach food on UA transpac, so I'll stuff a sandwich or two into the pockets, along with some of those little vodka bottles, a small LCD flashlight and a paperback book or two. Nothing in my lap -- all neatly in my jacket.
I will not sit there for 12-14 hours doing nothing but staring at the seat back in front of me.
3. I was planning to do this anyway, but I'll bring on some See's candy for the cockpit and cabin crew. I usually do this on transpacs, and the crew seem to appreciate it -- perhaps they'll cut me a little slack if I decide to thumb through Hemispheres Magazine or the Skymall catalog.
#77
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Maybe we can get a 'NO to NO IFE on UA' campaign going... I'm sure it can be just as successful as the one setup regarding CR-1's...
#78
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I got nothing booked for January and I'm not going to have anything, either. What I have to do I can do via Skype until this lunacy blows over.
#79
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: PDX
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Posts: 1,427
I would imagine that UnitedPR will have something for us on Monday. Probably the weekend combined with time needed for UA to put a PR spin onto this to make it somewhat palatable.
#80
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 981
it makes no sense why only UA is affected by this. how come there is IFE on all the other airlines?
who is the best person to complain to. about all the idiotic security policies that don't even work. just took the lotion out of my backback that has gone around the world about 25 times in the last 2 years and only caught once in singapore. was in vegas last weekend with 8 friends - 6 of them had full size bottles of shampoo and not caught. the policies are stupid and not even enforced. i think we were safer pre 9/11. sitting down the last hour of the flight will just give a terrorist easy aisle access to run to the front of the plane. no electronic devices? please. we all know that we get our cell reception back about 5 mins or so before landing and i see everyone texting as soon as it comes on - myself included. what are they gonna do? make us check in cell phones? these idiots running security should all be fired. does anyone know the annual TSA budget? if we just fired all of them, that money could be used elsewhere or returned to the hardworking americans who are already overtaxed. i bet we'd be safer. the best safety is just having alert passengers on the plane who will tackle any potential terrorists.
and plus, why do we have all this security specifically for airplanes? i can go to a concert hall with 20,000 people and bring in a gun cuz there's no metal detector. but i can't go on a CRJ with 50 people. gee, if i was a terrorist, just go attack anything else. what are we gonna do? complete nanny state everywhere? give air travel a break!
who is the best person to complain to. about all the idiotic security policies that don't even work. just took the lotion out of my backback that has gone around the world about 25 times in the last 2 years and only caught once in singapore. was in vegas last weekend with 8 friends - 6 of them had full size bottles of shampoo and not caught. the policies are stupid and not even enforced. i think we were safer pre 9/11. sitting down the last hour of the flight will just give a terrorist easy aisle access to run to the front of the plane. no electronic devices? please. we all know that we get our cell reception back about 5 mins or so before landing and i see everyone texting as soon as it comes on - myself included. what are they gonna do? make us check in cell phones? these idiots running security should all be fired. does anyone know the annual TSA budget? if we just fired all of them, that money could be used elsewhere or returned to the hardworking americans who are already overtaxed. i bet we'd be safer. the best safety is just having alert passengers on the plane who will tackle any potential terrorists.
and plus, why do we have all this security specifically for airplanes? i can go to a concert hall with 20,000 people and bring in a gun cuz there's no metal detector. but i can't go on a CRJ with 50 people. gee, if i was a terrorist, just go attack anything else. what are we gonna do? complete nanny state everywhere? give air travel a break!
#81
Join Date: Feb 2009
Programs: Star Alliance
Posts: 181
I sure am. I've also got a long-haul to China next week. Here's what I'm planning on doing:
1. I usually carry on two bags -- a smallish rolling computer bag and a backpack. The backpack contains whatever I will need in flight and goes under the seat. This time, I'll put them both in a single roll-a-board, just in case the "1 carry on" thing is imposed.
2. I just ordered one of these for overnight delivery. I should have it by Tuesday:
http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/E...n_Jacket.shtml
I'll use its 25 pockets to hold, at least, my iPod, my earbuds (in case I can't use the QC15s that I just bought), and a couple of extended-battery thingies so, at least, my iPod will last through the trip. I also can't stand the coach food on UA transpac, so I'll stuff a sandwich or two into the pockets, along with some of those little vodka bottles, a small LCD flashlight and a paperback book or two. Nothing in my lap -- all neatly in my jacket.
I will not sit there for 12-14 hours doing nothing but staring at the seat back in front of me.
3. I was planning to do this anyway, but I'll bring on some See's candy for the cockpit and cabin crew. I usually do this on transpacs, and the crew seem to appreciate it -- perhaps they'll cut me a little slack if I decide to thumb through Hemispheres Magazine or the Skymall catalog.
1. I usually carry on two bags -- a smallish rolling computer bag and a backpack. The backpack contains whatever I will need in flight and goes under the seat. This time, I'll put them both in a single roll-a-board, just in case the "1 carry on" thing is imposed.
2. I just ordered one of these for overnight delivery. I should have it by Tuesday:
http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/E...n_Jacket.shtml
I'll use its 25 pockets to hold, at least, my iPod, my earbuds (in case I can't use the QC15s that I just bought), and a couple of extended-battery thingies so, at least, my iPod will last through the trip. I also can't stand the coach food on UA transpac, so I'll stuff a sandwich or two into the pockets, along with some of those little vodka bottles, a small LCD flashlight and a paperback book or two. Nothing in my lap -- all neatly in my jacket.
I will not sit there for 12-14 hours doing nothing but staring at the seat back in front of me.
3. I was planning to do this anyway, but I'll bring on some See's candy for the cockpit and cabin crew. I usually do this on transpacs, and the crew seem to appreciate it -- perhaps they'll cut me a little slack if I decide to thumb through Hemispheres Magazine or the Skymall catalog.
I'll sleep on it and decide what to do about this anger I have!
#82
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: YVR SFO
Programs: UA G
Posts: 4,866
Ugh. This is my first year as a 1K (just made it earlier this month...) and as best I can tell, it was all for naught. I'm not flying long-haul without IFE; I'll be clawing my eyes out after a few hours. My laptop battery lasts 2.5 hours -- less than half the ride for SFO-JFK.
This is freaking weak, UA. Get your .... together and make this right. I'm not booking anything more for 2010 until I see some positive confirmation of changes.
This is freaking weak, UA. Get your .... together and make this right. I'm not booking anything more for 2010 until I see some positive confirmation of changes.
#83
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#85
Join Date: Jan 2004
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I am in the NRT IFL right now. No IFE UA882 (
744) BKK-NRT Dec 27 in all classes.
That's right- nothin'. The screen was off the entire time. No announcements made by the FAs and no apologies. A complete waste of miles for my trip in F.
I asked the purser and she said all IFE will remain off until at least Jan. 1. She doesn't know why Jan. 1 is the set date.
Will continue on to ICN on UA891 (777) this evening also in F. Interesting to see if IFE will also be turned off.
NOTE- these two flights don't even touch U.S. soil. So whatever the reason is, it probably doesn't have to do with the airshow?
That's right- nothin'. The screen was off the entire time. No announcements made by the FAs and no apologies. A complete waste of miles for my trip in F.
I asked the purser and she said all IFE will remain off until at least Jan. 1. She doesn't know why Jan. 1 is the set date.
Will continue on to ICN on UA891 (777) this evening also in F. Interesting to see if IFE will also be turned off.
NOTE- these two flights don't even touch U.S. soil. So whatever the reason is, it probably doesn't have to do with the airshow?
Asia to the US... this is insane to be honest... and i dont know how the turning off of the IFE in this particular case enhances your security....
#86
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: DEN / Bay Area
Programs: UA Plat. Ex: DL PM, AA EXP, VX Gold,
Posts: 212
If THIS kills Channel 9, I give up....
Also, its currently legal to use a GPS receiver on board. Done it many times before, especially on southwest, just to figure out where I am, what cities I'm looking at out the window, how fast we're going, altitude, etc. So disabling the airshow will clearly solve the problem.
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
Also, its currently legal to use a GPS receiver on board. Done it many times before, especially on southwest, just to figure out where I am, what cities I'm looking at out the window, how fast we're going, altitude, etc. So disabling the airshow will clearly solve the problem.
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
#87
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: DEN / Bay Area
Programs: UA Plat. Ex: DL PM, AA EXP, VX Gold,
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Reports on the Delta forum say that the requirement is that the airshow be turned off on the IFE. Some IFE systems let you do this without taking down the whole system. UA's (and QF's???), apparently do not.
#88
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If THIS kills Channel 9, I give up....
Also, its currently legal to use a GPS receiver on board. Done it many times before, especially on southwest, just to figure out where I am, what cities I'm looking at out the window, how fast we're going, altitude, etc. So disabling the airshow will clearly solve the problem.
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
Also, its currently legal to use a GPS receiver on board. Done it many times before, especially on southwest, just to figure out where I am, what cities I'm looking at out the window, how fast we're going, altitude, etc. So disabling the airshow will clearly solve the problem.
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
Well, they can change that rule at any time. If they do, I'd like to know. Not that I use it on board, but I do carry one with me for use on the road on the other end.
#89
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Location: Palo Alto, California,USA
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Here's a shocker: I can usually tell when the plane is starting to descend without relying on Airshow. I think UA should require a lobotomy prior to flying internationally to make sure that I can't sense that. Come to think of it, I'm beginning to think it requires a lobotomy to deal with air travel these days as well as what is surely an overreaction from UA to an overreaction from TSA.
#90
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Up until today I was lamenting how much I miss my job and traveling the globe.... My co-workers are heading back to SIN via LAX in a few days and ridding coach. Short of a few Ambien and a few mini's, there is no chance in hell I would join them.
Personally, I heavily rely on the IFE map as it gives me a pertinent info such as how much further I have to suffer in the back of the bus before reaching my final destination half way around the world.
Good luck to everyone and God speed.
Personally, I heavily rely on the IFE map as it gives me a pertinent info such as how much further I have to suffer in the back of the bus before reaching my final destination half way around the world.
Good luck to everyone and God speed.