Feb 10, 2024, 10:52 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the active thread is Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into?
Common issue
Expert Mode shows ..... T9, L9, K9, G9, N9 but you not able to get united.com or other sites to provide a fare for N or G or .... WHY?
There are three requirements to be able to book a fare class
1) there needs to be a fare rule for that fare class for your O/D.
2) you need to meet all the requirements for the fare rule -- advance purchase, days of the week, min stay, qualified flight numbers, qualified routing (including a possible RT requirement), .....
3) there needs to be inventory in the fare class
So if the cheapest fare rule filed is K, you will not be able to book N or G
Even if a fare rule is filed and there is inventory then you still need to meet the fare rule requirements.
As for searching, if multiple fares qualify, the cheapest will be displayed unless you specifically force a fare class. While the fare hierarchy will generally match the cost, occasionally a high fare class will be cheaper than a lower fare class due to differences in fare flexibility such as refundable, changeability, ....
So there are multiple reasons for why a specific fare class is and not is offered. Confusion on this is one reason UA has been reluctant to make fare class inventory easily available and the reason UA requires one to accept the following terms before providing access to Expert Mode:
How can you see the fare rules?
While booking (on the first "Review trip itin" page) and after booking (on the online view of the reservation) , UA will makes them available -- but this is only if UA will display that particular fare.
Before booking or if unable to get access on UA, there are paid services -- KVS, Expert Flyer. ... can provide access to all published fare rules.
Related threads
Decoding the alphabet soup - New fare buckets for UA
How to get a P class fare to Europe?
Understanding Airline Inventory (non FT blog posting)
Desired Fare Class is available but has insufficient space, what can be done?
Common issue
Expert Mode shows ..... T9, L9, K9, G9, N9 but you not able to get united.com or other sites to provide a fare for N or G or .... WHY?
There are three requirements to be able to book a fare class
1) there needs to be a fare rule for that fare class for your O/D.
2) you need to meet all the requirements for the fare rule -- advance purchase, days of the week, min stay, qualified flight numbers, qualified routing (including a possible RT requirement), .....
3) there needs to be inventory in the fare class
So if the cheapest fare rule filed is K, you will not be able to book N or G
Even if a fare rule is filed and there is inventory then you still need to meet the fare rule requirements.
As for searching, if multiple fares qualify, the cheapest will be displayed unless you specifically force a fare class. While the fare hierarchy will generally match the cost, occasionally a high fare class will be cheaper than a lower fare class due to differences in fare flexibility such as refundable, changeability, ....
So there are multiple reasons for why a specific fare class is and not is offered. Confusion on this is one reason UA has been reluctant to make fare class inventory easily available and the reason UA requires one to accept the following terms before providing access to Expert Mode:
This is not a forecasting tool. Availability levels in certain fare classes should not be interpreted as indicating that we will make other fare classes available.
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it.
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it.
While booking (on the first "Review trip itin" page) and after booking (on the online view of the reservation) , UA will makes them available -- but this is only if UA will display that particular fare.
Before booking or if unable to get access on UA, there are paid services -- KVS, Expert Flyer. ... can provide access to all published fare rules.
Related threads
Decoding the alphabet soup - New fare buckets for UA
How to get a P class fare to Europe?
Understanding Airline Inventory (non FT blog posting)
Desired Fare Class is available but has insufficient space, what can be done?
Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into? {Archive]
Feb 16, 2019, 6:24 pm
#286
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You can search for a W fare, just as you’re doing. Search with your actual flight dates and fare class set to W, or W, V, Q if you want to give them a couple of choices. If a fare comes up in the “selected fare class” column, they’ve published something.
Feb 17, 2019, 11:06 am
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Feb 17, 2019, 11:15 am
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Until when can a GPU be applied to an itinerary? I am booked on LAX-SYD in G, which doesn’t qualify for GPU usage. The W-fare would’ve cost 3 times as much as the G-fare, with no PZ-inventory currently available.
My plan is to SDC at T-24h to a W-fare, and then apply the GPU - IF PZ is available. Thoughts?
thanks!
My plan is to SDC at T-24h to a W-fare, and then apply the GPU - IF PZ is available. Thoughts?
thanks!
Feb 17, 2019, 11:28 am
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GPU can be applied prior to T-25h of the target flight without issue. Within that deadline, you need an agent override and they will usually only do it if PZ space in confirmable.
At that price difference, have you considered waitlisting a miles+cash upgrade instead?
At that price difference, have you considered waitlisting a miles+cash upgrade instead?
Feb 17, 2019, 12:58 pm
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I have, but my mileage balance isn’t high enough for the wife and I. Obviously I would only SDC to the W-fare if PZ was showing availability, so that would work with what you described. The trip is still 3 weeks out so let’s see what inventory looks like as we get closer
Feb 17, 2019, 2:41 pm
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Additionally you will not be able to do this on the app and will have to call in -- and there will need to be a purchasable W fare available, which there may not be that late( after check in has started. There may W fare inventory but to change fares (and not a simple no fare SDC) there also needs to be a purchasable W fare. (the subject of this thread)
So this strategy may work but there are multiple reasons it may not work in a situation that you could have been upgraded.
Feb 17, 2019, 4:21 pm
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Your plan is to try to use SDC to change to a different fare on the same flight? That's not technically permitted, you would just be asking for a discretionary change fee waiver for the upfare to W. If you're going to do that, there's no point waiting until T-24.
Feb 17, 2019, 6:42 pm
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UA currently has an unusual fare structure published for EWR-FRA. There are K and L fares published with a 12-hour minimum stay. However, the next fare up without a lengthy minimum stay -- after some Premium Economy fares that you won't be able to use because UA isn't offering PE for travel on 3/17 -- is the U fare you're seeing. The W, V, Q, and H fares all require either a seven-day stay or a Saturday-night stay.
Feb 18, 2019, 2:46 am
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A (paid) subscription to ExpertFlyer or KVS Tool.
Apr 7, 2019, 12:56 pm
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P fare shows in expert mode but cannot book
I am looking to book a flight that shows P fare in expert mode but only prices out as Z.
How and where can I find the conditions that need to be met to get the P fare?
ewr-muc-Ewr 2/13-22 2020
How and where can I find the conditions that need to be met to get the P fare?
ewr-muc-Ewr 2/13-22 2020
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Apr 7, 2019 at 1:05 pm Reason: Moved to consoldiated thread
Apr 7, 2019, 1:03 pm
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You would need to subscribe to a service like ExpertFlyer to see if there's even a P fare filed for that route, and what the restrictions would be. If you don't fly enough for a subscription to make sense, you can sign up for a free trial.
Apr 7, 2019, 1:04 pm
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How to find fare rules for united flights?
The subscription services like EF or KVS are the "easiest" access
Apr 7, 2019, 1:04 pm
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That said, there are two P fares currently published by UA. One requires a 10 day stay and is only valid Tuesday through Friday. The other is seasonal, is coded wrong (has 2010 where it means 2020), and is for use around holidays (around Easter, Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's Day).
With 10 months until departure, I would watch https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premium-fare-deals-740/ and perhaps put in a Google Flights price alert.
Apr 7, 2019, 1:12 pm
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Code:
Fare Information Search:
Departing EWR on 02/13/20 for MUC
Returning on 02/22/20
Flying UA
Viewing in currency USD
Searching in Business cabin
Validated Results
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
ZNX97ENC UA Z Round-Trip 3221.00 (USD) B V / 12M 90
ZNW97ENC UA Z Round-Trip 3321.00 (USD) B V / 12M 90
ZNX67ENC UA Z Round-Trip 4221.00 (USD) B V / 12M 60
ZNX97ERC UA Z Round-Trip 4221.00 (USD) B V / 12M 90
ZNW67ENC UA Z Round-Trip 4321.00 (USD) B V / 12M 60
ZNW97ERC UA Z Round-Trip 4321.00 (USD) B V / 12M 90
DNX67ERC UA D Round-Trip 5951.00 (USD) B V / 12M 60
DNW67ERC UA D Round-Trip 6051.00 (USD) B V / 12M 60
DNX86ERC UA D Round-Trip 7544.00 (USD) B V / 12M 28
DNW86ERC UA D Round-Trip 7744.00 (USD) B V / 12M 28
DNX46ERC UA D Round-Trip 8344.00 (USD) B V / 12M 14
DNW46ERC UA D Round-Trip 8544.00 (USD) B V / 12M 14
DNA06ERC UA D Round-Trip 9094.00 (USD) B V / 12M
DNA40ERC UA D Round-Trip 9094.00 (USD) B || / 12M 14
DNA00ERC UA D Round-Trip 9444.00 (USD) B || / 12M
DNA06EFF UA D Round-Trip 9468.00 (USD) B V / 12M
CNX76ERC UA C Round-Trip 9924.00 (USD) B V / 12M 07
CNW76ERC UA C Round-Trip 10233.00 (USD) B V / 12M 07
CNA00EFF UA C Round-Trip 10640.00 (USD) B || / 12M
CNA00ERC UA C Round-Trip 10640.00 (USD) B || / 12M
CNY00EFF UA C Round-Trip 12788.00 (USD) B
JXR1 UA J Round-Trip 12854.00 (USD) B -- / 12M
JWR1 UA J Round-Trip 13354.00 (USD) B -- / 12M
JAR1 UA J Round-Trip 13854.00 (USD) B -- / 12M
JX1 UA J Round-Trip 16320.00 (USD) B
JW1 UA J Round-Trip 16820.00 (USD) B
JA1 UA J Round-Trip 17320.00 (USD) B
Apr 7, 2019, 1:13 pm
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The only P ( PNX91ENC ) fare filed (for those days) has a 10 day min stay
You have to move up to ZNX97ENC to get a 7 day stay and $300+ more, it also has the Tues - Fri limitation
PERMITTED TUE THROUGH FRI ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO
EARLIER THAN 10 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO
EARLIER THAN 10 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.