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GVABound Dec 11, 2019 3:22 pm

Flying PEK-EWR on Sunday. Looks like J will be full, so contemplating a SDC to PEK-IAD. Am I right in thinking I can apply plus points to this after the SDC. Should I pull the plus points off the first reservation before doing this?

cyclogenesis Dec 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Quick Q:
And sorry if it has been answered upstream, work booked a ORD-BOS-ORD in Jan for me.. I immediately bit at buyup just after ticketing.. I can't see the buyup reflected in the PQPs in the booking.. Have I lost the PQPs from the buyup as I paid for the buy up in 2019?

Kmxu Dec 11, 2019 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by GVABound (Post 31830489)
Flying PEK-EWR on Sunday. Looks like J will be full, so contemplating a SDC to PEK-IAD. Am I right in thinking I can apply plus points to this after the SDC. Should I pull the plus points off the first reservation before doing this?

We do not know what will happen if you do not remove the request for PEK-EWR. To be on the safe side, you remove the request from PEK-EWR before SDC and re-request upgrade for PEK-ORD afterwards.

GVABound Dec 11, 2019 4:37 pm


We do not know what will happen if you do not remove the request for PEK-EWR. To be on the safe side, you remove the request from PEK-EWR before SDC and re-request upgrade for PEK-ORD afterwards.



Thanks for the advice. Definitely seems like an upgrade over the old system (right before 10 GS transfer onto my previously empty flight..)

FlyingHighlander Dec 11, 2019 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by GVABound (Post 31830714)


Thanks for the advice. Definitely seems like an upgrade over the old system (right before 10 GS transfer onto my previously empty flight..)

How do you know they are GS?

margarita girl Dec 12, 2019 2:51 am


Originally Posted by flyerbjorn (Post 31824283)
Is there now a way to see the upgrade list far in advance, like multiple weeks?

I remember reading that in this thread, but can't find it.

I think you want posts # 827 and 829.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...embers-56.html

zdog2x Dec 12, 2019 8:13 am


Originally Posted by zdog2x (Post 31827232)
How long until PP+ are redeposited? Didn’t get an upgrade on SFO-DEN (not surprising) on Dec 7th and they haven’t been redeposited.

That said I do like that it is much easier to track which reservation they were applied to - the old system was atrocious in that regard.


Originally Posted by fumje (Post 31828197)
Just for clarity: they don't get 'redeposited' the way G/RPUs used to be, instead they are just un-requested.

So if your PlusPoints total is lower than it should be, you need to inquire.


The 20 points were un-requested, but didn’t go back into my total. I had 240 total before the upgrade didn’t clear and after the 20 points disappeared from the “requested” list, the 240 did not increase to 260. Had to call and they redeposited, but had no explanation except a “glitch”.

Irrelevant since I’ll end the year with expiring points, but something to keep an eye on in 2020.

JimInOhio Dec 12, 2019 8:19 am


Originally Posted by zdog2x (Post 31832584)
The 20 points were un-requested, but didn’t go back into my total. I had 240 total before the upgrade didn’t clear and after the 20 points disappeared from the “requested” list, the 240 did not increase to 260. Had to call and they redeposited, but had no explanation except a “glitch”.

Irrelevant since I’ll end the year with expiring points, but something to keep an eye on in 2020.

Wow, now I'm really confused. +P aren't deducted from your account until an upgrade clears (unlike RPUs/GPUs) so why would they be redeposited if an upgrade never clears?

jsloan Dec 12, 2019 8:21 am


Originally Posted by zdog2x (Post 31832584)
The 20 points were un-requested, but didn’t go back into my total. I had 240 total before the upgrade didn’t clear and after the 20 points disappeared from the “requested” list, the 240 did not increase to 260.

That's exactly how it's supposed to work. The 20 points was never removed from your total (i.e., you never had 260 in the first place). This is a change from the way that GPUs and RPUs worked. GPUs/RPUs were deducted immediately and then redeposited if they didn't clear. +P are not deducted until / unless they clear. The only redepositing we should expect to see with +P is when you have a request with multiple point levels (e.g., with a domestic connecting flight and an international Polaris flight). In that case, the entire amount would be deducted if any segment clears, and then a refund will be made after the fact if the most expensive segment didn't clear. (e.g., AUS-SFO-HKG is a 40-point upgrade, but AUS-SFO is a 20-point upgrade; if AUS-SFO clears first, 40 posts are deducted. If SFO-HKG never clears, 20 points are refunded).

seanp7 Dec 12, 2019 9:01 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 31823679)
I should note that the SDC involved calling in as the system gave strange errors trying to change an itinerary that only had one segment upgraded. I've got no idea whether the agent did anything special.

I just SDC'd from a two-segment journey (2nd segment cleared with +P's) to an earlier two-segment journey via the iOS app and no issues. The +P's haven't been redeposited yet, though. I will wait a bit. (FYI, I applied new +P's to the new SDC'd itinerary and the second segment cleared again).

nomad420 Dec 12, 2019 9:15 am


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 31832613)
This is a change from the way that GPUs and RPUs worked. GPUs/RPUs were deducted immediately and then redeposited if they didn't clear. +P are not deducted until / unless they clear..

While I prefer this method this has to be causing headaches for a lot people such as it did for zdog2x. Everyone was conditioned to the "old" method of applying an instrument and immediately having the miles/GPU/RPU deducted. My business partner just went had the same problem and ended up confused about what was left in his PP account with upgrades clearing and others not over a short period of time on multiple flights. With time I think people will get used to this new system but for now many are confused.

zdog2x Dec 12, 2019 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by nomad420 (Post 31832769)
While I prefer this method this has to be causing headaches for a lot people such as it did for zdog2x. Everyone was conditioned to the "old" method of applying an instrument and immediately having the miles/GPU/RPU deducted. My business partner just went had the same problem and ended up confused about what was left in his PP account with upgrades clearing and others not over a short period of time on multiple flights. With time I think people will get used to this new system but for now many are confused.


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 31832613)
That's exactly how it's supposed to work. The 20 points was never removed from your total (i.e., you never had 260 in the first place). This is a change from the way that GPUs and RPUs worked. GPUs/RPUs were deducted immediately and then redeposited if they didn't clear. +P are not deducted until / unless they clear. The only redepositing we should expect to see with +P is when you have a request with multiple point levels (e.g., with a domestic connecting flight and an international Polaris flight). In that case, the entire amount would be deducted if any segment clears, and then a refund will be made after the fact if the most expensive segment didn't clear. (e.g., AUS-SFO-HKG is a 40-point upgrade, but AUS-SFO is a 20-point upgrade; if AUS-SFO clears first, 40 posts are deducted. If SFO-HKG never clears, 20 points are refunded).

Learn something everyday on this forum! Guess I got an extra 20 +P that I won't be able to use j/k

rankourabu Dec 12, 2019 7:14 pm

Does anyone know what the maximum connection time is to require only one set of PPlus points

ie. if one does EWR-SFO-Asia with a same day 10 hour connection in SFO, will it require 40 points or 20+40 points?

findark Dec 12, 2019 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 31834613)
Does anyone know what the maximum connection time is to require only one set of PPlus points

ie. if one does EWR-SFO-Asia with a same day 10 hour connection in SFO, will it require 40 points or 20+40 points?

By practical experience with asking agents nicely, it's transfer versus stopover which is 24h00 (international) or 4h00 (domestic/transborder) maximum. As far as the computer does it by itself, I've found it's the same as whether it draws your itinerary as one or two, and is about 12 hours.

Xyzzy Dec 12, 2019 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 31834613)
Does anyone know what the maximum connection time is to require only one set of PPlus points

ie. if one does EWR-SFO-Asia with a same day 10 hour connection in SFO, will it require 40 points or 20+40 points?

Historically, the limit for use of a single GPU in this case was 12 hours. I d:oubt that has changed.


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