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mh3265a May 3, 2020 7:27 am

Have booked UA TPAC in late July/early August. Used miles so fully refundable as well as refundable hotels. We'll see if we're able to go. I had some hope earlier this month but with the curve not flattening who knows!

UA_Flyer May 3, 2020 9:11 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 32345105)
I can't for the life of me remember if I emptied the fridge, disconnected it and left the fridge doors open (like I normally do) in my Beijing apartment.
If I didn't, I sure hope there wasn't a prolonged power failure or a blown circuit! :eek:

I also have an apartment in Beijing and have not seen it since end of Jan. I, too, have wonder about the contents in my fridge!:eek:


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 32345157)
Just out of curiosity, what are some of the negative things you've heard? Tmk, you get to pick hotels or serviced apartments from a list, and the rates are below average market. Most of my friends chose based on room size and in room amenities. Their digs looked pretty nice to me.

A few expat online communities that my colleagues have monitored and also (as you probably appreciate) speculations that can be overly negative or positive when there is anything related to China that is often lack of balanced reporting. Some of them can be based on perceptions rather than actual facts.....I can also say the same about perceptions of US by others. Some people can be quite high maintenance while others are opposite. I am in the low maintenance camp, so not really bothered by quarantine as long as it is clean.

I always count the blessing of having an international career and able to keep it in this current environment, so just eager to start business travels asap.

Long Zhiren May 4, 2020 4:19 am


Originally Posted by kb1992 (Post 32342751)
I’m afraid that China is not going to lift the restriction that each airline can only operate one single flight each week to China.

UA is proposing 28 weekly flights? Not going to happen.

Where do you look to see these new schedules? Thanks
I noticed late June UA SFO-HKGvanished. What else vanished?
How are the wait times these days for reworking canceled itineraries?

UA_Flyer May 4, 2020 5:23 am


Originally Posted by Long Zhiren (Post 32347132)
Where do you look to see these new schedules? Thanks
I noticed late June UA SFO-HKGvanished. What else vanished?
How are the wait times these days for reworking canceled itineraries?

Matthew's blog has a good summary of the latest flight schedule:

https://liveandletsfly.com/united-ju...onal-schedule/

In terms of wait time to rework on cancelled itineraries, I can only comment that there is no wait using GS line.

myperks May 4, 2020 9:16 am


Originally Posted by IMissThe747 (Post 32319762)
My wife is currently scheduled on the UA TPE-SFO a within a week after June 6. Based on UA's recent announcement about June capacity cuts, we seriously wonder if they will actually restart 871/872 on June 6, or if they just haven't updated the June schedule yet. It seems likely they may not run 871/872 at all in June. But we hope they do.

UA just axed the TPE flight for June. Will be making alternative plans...

uastarflyer May 4, 2020 9:50 am


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 32347192)
Matthew's blog has a good summary of the latest flight schedule:

https://liveandletsfly.com/united-ju...onal-schedule/

How depressing. Not even SFO-LHR survived, let alone so many TPAC cuts

myperks May 4, 2020 11:02 am

Can’t seem to find the answer. Since a lot of the nonstop TPAC flights have been axed, are passengers still allowed to transit in Narita (without entering Jalan) on the way to the USA? (Since that is what United is giving as the only option to still fly, which is ANA through Narita.)

UA_Flyer May 4, 2020 11:23 am


Originally Posted by myperks (Post 32347921)
Can’t seem to find the answer. Since a lot of the nonstop TPAC flights have been axed, are passengers still allowed to transit in Narita (without entering Jalan) on the way to the USA? (Since that is what United is giving as the only option to still fly, which is ANA through Narita.)

According to the useful link provided below, it seems Japan still allows transit passengers if the information is up to date.


Originally Posted by kb1992 (Post 32342797)


myperks May 4, 2020 11:49 am


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 32347969)
According to the useful link provided below, it seems Japan still allows transit passengers if the information is up to date.

thanks... Japan seem to have the longest rules in the listing you provided. But it doesn’t really address transit. It just says cannot enter, which I guess can be interpreted as transit allowed. Maybe I should read it again. Thanks again.

IMissThe747 May 4, 2020 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by myperks (Post 32347630)
UA just axed the TPE flight for June. Will be making alternative plans...

Yup... they cancelled both of our flights. Our options for visiting the USA this summer would now be BR or CI, then connecting inward to UA. Probably not worth the hassle for us, and we'll likely skip the USA this year. Sad news!

bocastephen May 4, 2020 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by Dublin_rfk (Post 32302940)
Who’s up for a TPAC? It looks like earliest date is now mid May. I just rescheduled for 19 May (two months delayed) SFO TPE. I’m hoping the third time is the charm.

I am looking at going to Seoul, Taipei and/or HK as soon as possible - but as soon as possible seems to look increasingly like Sept-Oct-Nov, which is OK, I don't like the summer heat in Asia anyway. Taiwan is unlikely to open its borders to foreigners anytime soon, especially with any re-infection waves, but Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong are about the 3 safest countries to be in right now, and frankly safer than our own.


Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly (Post 32307195)
It's not an antibody test, it's a coronavirus test.

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/emi...efore-boarding

If airlines can pull this off at scale, the 'When' in the thread title will be very soon!

:rolleyes: You are seriously going to trust a corporation to hold a detailed analysis of your blood? Your very DNA? They can't even keep your credit card data secure, and you're going to let them have your DNA? Go right ahead, but I am sure 9/10 people will flat out refuse, including me. I don't need to travel, I want to travel - and want does not include handing over my biological samples to a for-profit company that can't even serve my lunch properly half the time. No thanks. If they pull this off, the volume of non-essential travel will crater, permanently.

Plus, as pointed out multiple times for your reference, it does not show if someone has an active infection, and someone with antibodies explains essentially nothing about the risk of them sitting near me unless there is a test to detect the presence of virus particles.

kb1992 May 4, 2020 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 32345157)
Just out of curiosity, what are some of the negative things you've heard? Tmk, you get to pick hotels or serviced apartments from a list, and the rates are below average market. Most of my friends chose based on room size and in room amenities. Their digs looked pretty nice to me.

I guess only people MUST travel would put up with 14-day government mandated quarantine.

It simply kills the purpose of sightseeing and vast majority of business travel. These would be like 95% of air traffic to China?

Even if China lifts the ban, I won't waste my 14 days at a hotel, no matter now nice it is.

I only hope that China would accept negative result of a Covid-19 test in another country and waive the quarantine requirement.


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 32342992)
Thanks! This is a very useful link.

Unless I misread it, the US information seems not complete. The travel ban only apply to EU member states, UK and China but not any other countries in Asia, America’s and Oceania.

I think the link is fairly accurate and most complete AFAIK. The US information seems not 100% as it doesn't mention US-Canada restriction etc.

The good news is Japan and S. Korea transfer. I wish that HK and SIN would allow transit pax.

ryman554 May 4, 2020 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 32348722)
I am looking at going to Seoul, Taipei and/or HK as soon as possible - but as soon as possible seems to look increasingly like Sept-Oct-Nov, which is OK, I don't like the summer heat in Asia anyway. Taiwan is unlikely to open its borders to foreigners anytime soon, especially with any re-infection waves, but Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong are about the 3 safest countries to be in right now, and frankly safer than our own.

100% agree. Too bad the one place I can go with my fam is the UK, and they aren't looking a whole lot better than the USA these days.


:rolleyes: You are seriously going to trust a corporation to hold a detailed analysis of your blood? Your very DNA? They can't even keep your credit card data secure, and you're going to let them have your DNA? Go right ahead, but I am sure 9/10 people will flat out refuse, including me. I don't need to travel, I want to travel - and want does not include handing over my biological samples to a for-profit company that can't even serve my lunch properly half the time. No thanks. If they pull this off, the volume of non-essential travel will crater, permanently.

Plus, as pointed out multiple times for your reference, it does not show if someone has an active infection, and someone with antibodies explains essentially nothing about the risk of them sitting near me unless there is a test to detect the presence of virus particles.
Not quite how these things would work. There is a 15 minute test (Abbot) that can check for live virus. Toss it, along with the fun nose swab, in the biohazard bag when done. No need to track that with name, only the little card thingy. It's only going after the COVID to encourage growth. It's not doing anything with blood at all. Since I sneeze all the time, the my DNA is all over the airports, anyhow. A positive test = no get on airplane and free trip to quarantineland.

There is a pin prick test which can check for antibodies. THe hope (fading rapidly, sadly) is to see if folks are immune. I was hoping this would be similar to vaccination, but I'm losing hope over this given the reported accuracies so far. A positive test = free to fly (or, so I wish). Anyhow, this also doesn't do any details with blood, just a marker that says "yes/no" if the antibodys are positive

You can't have test #2 without test #1 -- since you don't want active folks as you say.

I would do this in a heartbeat. Sadly, you're probably gonna have to do it again when you get off the plane in a foreign country.

moondog May 4, 2020 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by kb1992 (Post 32348813)
I guess only people MUST travel would put up with 14-day government mandated quarantine.

It simply kills the purpose of sightseeing and vast majority of business travel. These would be like 95% of air traffic to China?

Even if China lifts the ban, I won't waste my 14 days at a hotel, no matter now nice it is.

I only hope that China would accept negative result of a Covid-19 test in another country and waive the quarantine requirement.

My question that you quoted about "negative impressions" was directed to UA_Flyer in the context of quarantine conditions in Chinese cities. He previously addressed his willingness to accept 14 days as a condition of being able to enter.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not countries should trust negative test results from other regions in order to facilitate opening up, but it wouldn't really matter if I did. That having been said, minimizing both the number of moving parts and inbound traffic seem to be fairly common objectives.

tcdtcd May 4, 2020 9:00 pm


Originally Posted by ryman554 (Post 32348925)
100% agree. Too bad the one place I can go with my fam is the UK, and they aren't looking a whole lot better than the USA these days.



Not quite how these things would work. There is a 15 minute test (Abbot) that can check for live virus. Toss it, along with the fun nose swab, in the biohazard bag when done. No need to track that with name, only the little card thingy. It's only going after the COVID to encourage growth. It's not doing anything with blood at all. Since I sneeze all the time, the my DNA is all over the airports, anyhow. A positive test = no get on airplane and free trip to quarantineland.

There is a pin prick test which can check for antibodies. THe hope (fading rapidly, sadly) is to see if folks are immune. I was hoping this would be similar to vaccination, but I'm losing hope over this given the reported accuracies so far. A positive test = free to fly (or, so I wish). Anyhow, this also doesn't do any details with blood, just a marker that says "yes/no" if the antibodys are positive

You can't have test #2 without test #1 -- since you don't want active folks as you say.

I would do this in a heartbeat. Sadly, you're probably gonna have to do it again when you get off the plane in a foreign country.


This is inaccurate. The 10 (so far) FDA emergency approved tests for covid antibodies are full blood draws. They have been found to be highly accurate in specificity and sensitivity. They are not quick read (yet). There are another 145 tests non FDA approved on the market of dubious accuracy some of which are pin prick.

And you can do the antibody test without the swab test first, but only reason to do so is if you have reason to believe you’ve had and recovered from covid or suspect you’ve had an asymptomatic case (currently estimated at 3%-25% of population depending on
location.)


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