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zombietooth Apr 19, 2020 11:44 am


Originally Posted by nexusCFX (Post 32305619)
I already cancelled my flights around the same time. Are you a resident, or are you hoping the travel ban is removed? We'll know soon if the 14 day quarantine requirement is being extended since that is set to expire end of April.

I am hoping the ban will be removed. My Japanese clients still want me to come and, if it is possible, I will go.

Taoyuan Apr 19, 2020 12:49 pm

Think there's any chance of TPE being open for a US citizen visit in August or September?

seanp7 Apr 19, 2020 1:01 pm

SYD is TPAC. Why don't you just go SFO-SYD tomorrow? Saver Biz wide open ;)

OP didn't state his/her citizenship but us Aussies can go home ;)

spartacusmcfly Apr 19, 2020 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 32305598)
...I have absolutely no idea what EK would plan to do with these test results, which is why I don't think it will ever happen...

It's not an antibody test, it's a coronavirus test.

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/emi...efore-boarding

If airlines can pull this off at scale, the 'When' in the thread title will be very soon!

jsloan Apr 19, 2020 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly (Post 32307195)
It's not an antibody test, it's a coronavirus test. :

I'm afraid it's Conde Nast that needs to get its facts straight. Here's a more accurate article (I can't believe I'm turning to the New York Post for accuracy). The quote (emphasis mine):


The tests — which aren’t meant to diagnose active infections — check for antibodies, or proteins, in the immune system. Their presence means a person has been exposed to the virus and developed antibodies against it.


Presumably, at some point in the future -- late 2021, 2022? -- countries might require a certificate of COVID-19 immunity in order to enter the country. That presumes that you can't get infected twice (unknown at this time) and that they can tell whether you're showing antibodies in your system because you're currently infected (obviously bad) or because you're immune (good). And, you're assuming that the test is very accurate, but accuracy rates for COVID tests are all over the map. Again, the result you'd want from this test is a positive one -- antibodies in the system.

What EK is doing isn't science. It's hogwash.

WineCountryUA Apr 19, 2020 1:58 pm

General discussion about COVID-19 testing are best in Coronavirus and travel where it is actively being discussed - this is beyond the scope of this forum .
Let's focus on what UA / UA flyers are doing in this forum

WineCountryUA
UA coModerator

cur Apr 20, 2020 9:37 am


Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer (Post 32303092)
I have a trip to Vegas in mid-July - I give that at best a 50/50 chance (if they are open and there is a flight, I'm going). Transpacs seem many months away - hopefully I'm not right

i would say you have a 90/10 chance of going
there will be flights to vegas and they will be open. if you gotta get to vegas you can get there.

but hawaii has some sort of quarantine ja?


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 32306967)
I am hoping the ban will be removed. My Japanese clients still want me to come and, if it is possible, I will go.

you should go to japan soonest you can. i was there 30 days ago when things really started to shut down and i left a day before they halted foreigners from entering. it was fine there. but very quiet.

Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly (Post 32305414)
Looks like Emirates is planning to do blood tests at the gate and giving passengers Corona-negative certificates. If this type of testing protocol can be adopted by airlines, and is accurate, what stops all int'l flights from resuming (assuming there is demand of course).

I'd get on a flight if everyone has been tested before boarding...

I could see quarantines being removed immediately as soon as a viable departure gate testing protocol is in place.


Originally Posted by spartacusmcfly (Post 32305548)
You're dramatizing something that's not dramatic. Million of Americans self-administer this type of test every single day. Watch this video starting at 25 seconds and see if you would do this to board a plane?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAZAWBJfCqs

NO WAY. this is exact same thinking right after 9-11. panic panic and let's get as intrusive as possible. all for something that kills way fewer people than preventable cardiovascular disease, automobile deaths, seasonal flu that nobody bothers getting immunized against

Lori_Q Apr 20, 2020 10:55 am

Isn't plane-boarding painful enough already?
 

Originally Posted by cur (Post 32309230)
NO WAY. this is exact same thinking right after 9-11. panic panic and let's get as intrusive as possible. all for something that kills way fewer people than preventable cardiovascular disease, automobile deaths, seasonal flu that nobody bothers getting immunized against

Yeah, I agree -- Gate testing is a panicky and invasive response to the problem. The use of the test data is an instant privacy lawsuit that will prevent gate testing from happening in the U.S. And what about the crew? OSHA and the unions would never agree to let their members get poked with sharp objects multiple times a day (or even once!) in the line of work.

AndyInSaigon Apr 20, 2020 2:54 pm

I'm looking forward to IAH-SGN via SFO-SIN in June, but I am not too hopeful.

Aussienarelle Apr 20, 2020 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by seanp7 (Post 32307174)
SYD is TPAC. Why don't you just go SFO-SYD tomorrow? Saver Biz wide open ;)

OP didn't state his/her citizenship but us Aussies can go home ;)

But we cannot leave. There is a prohibition on Australians leaving the country.

I am looking at a trip to see my parents in July and know I will get a 14 day hotel stay courtesy of the Australian government but was then planning on staying for a further two weeks. I then looked at Smartraveller.gov.au (Government website) to find out you cannot leave. Bit like Hotel CA.

Should add it looks likely this will be the rule for at least six months.

Repooc17 Apr 20, 2020 5:14 pm

I have a planned trip to HKG around Memorial holiday in late May. While I remain hopeful, the realistic chance of me flying the itinerary as-is is very slim.

I have already cancelled 4 INTL trips (2 TPAC) that had been scheduled within a span of around a month between mid-March and mi-April. I have 4 more INTL trips in late April and May I'd still need to deal with.

goodeats21 Apr 21, 2020 4:33 am


Originally Posted by Repooc17 (Post 32310483)
I have a planned trip to HKG around Memorial holiday in late May. While I remain hopeful, the realistic chance of me flying the itinerary as-is is very slim.

I have already cancelled 4 INTL trips (2 TPAC) that had been scheduled within a span of around a month between mid-March and mi-April. I have 4 more INTL trips in late April and May I'd still need to deal with.

I think we are rapidly reaching the point where many countries will be restricting entry of passengers from USA due to the fears of bringing infection in. There is already no confidence that we are adequately containing the outbreak. Even more, get ready for numbers to start climbing dramatically once increased testing is finally implemented.

Even if flights become available, immigration is going to be the limiting factor for some time.

radonc1 Apr 21, 2020 5:44 am


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 32311490)
I think we are rapidly reaching the point where many countries will be restricting entry of passengers from USA due to the fears of bringing infection in. There is already no confidence that we are adequately containing the outbreak. Even more, get ready for numbers to start climbing dramatically once increased testing is finally implemented.

Even if flights become available, immigration is going to be the limiting factor for some time.

Our testing is increasing dramatically, and will continue to do so over the next weeks. Will it really make a difference??

Getting back on point....

How does UA deal with the liability issues to its crew and staff by flying Covid infected passengers, especially those that are asymptomatic but transmissible?. How does UA ensure that they stay healthy. Put them in PPEs on a plane? (that would be an interesting uniform design :o)

UA, like all transportation providers, is stuck until we either get an effective therapeutic or vaccine. UA will fly 10% filled airplanes with crew in gloves and masks for the time being.

And goodeats is right. Most countries, for the time being, will not let passengers from the US enter without a 2 week quarantine at a minimum :( That will eliminate almost all of UA's leisure travel as well as work related trips unless the worker is going for an extended period of time and the company can afford to have him/her out of commission for several weeks (presuming that they cannot work from site of isolation).

UA_Flyer Apr 21, 2020 5:45 am

To my dismay, Singapore just announced extending its circuit breaker (lockdown) period to June 1st. It is unlikely its border will open before June 30.

Cross Singapore off for now. Likely won’t happen until August at the earliest.

narvik Apr 21, 2020 5:55 am


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 32311596)
To my dismay, Singapore just announced extending its circuit breaker (lockdown) period to June 1st. It is unlikely its border will open before the June 30.

Cross Singapore off for now. Likely won’t happen until August at the earliest.


It's shame FT doesn't have a "like the post but dislike the message" button!


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