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IMissThe747 Apr 18, 2020 1:07 am

We live in Taiwan, and my wife and I have several TPACs on 871/872 schedule this summer. The earliest date currently scheduled in June 8.

We bought these tickets in December or January before all of the recent events. All legs are still currently confirmed and none 'broken' yet, but I'm sure they will be once United gets around to updating the June schedule.

We'll see what happens - we may skip visiting the USA this summer. Even if we can get a flight there, it's probably not worth the quarantine that will happen when we return to Taiwan (and possibly when arriving in the USA).

I sure miss flying. But, since the music has currently stopped in this game of 'musical chairs,' we are glad to be 'stuck' in Taiwan!

goodeats21 Apr 18, 2020 3:07 am

With the schedule changes just loaded this weekend, I refunded a couple of upcoming TPACs. Next one I have booked now is late August. Fingers crossed.

If things open up sooner, I will certainly book something as soon as practical / safe.

dulcamara Apr 18, 2020 5:07 am

I cancelled a trip to HKG for May several weeks ago. I am not optimistic for the rest of the year. We had planned on a vacation in Northern Japan this summer, not anymore.

narvik Apr 18, 2020 6:44 am

I reckon China will allow foreigners to freely enter in a few months, but potentially with a delay for anyone from the US.
I'll be happy to get back to PEK by the end of the year, maybe November?

(My Chinese residence permit is expiring in a few weeks...will have to restart the whole process when I can get back again. :()

rankourabu Apr 18, 2020 6:48 am

We had a trips to China and Japan scrapped for spring. Next TPAC vacation is PPT in late August, but I see the chances of that happening at near zero.

Dublin_rfk Apr 18, 2020 7:40 am


Originally Posted by myperks (Post 32303213)
i have family members that had a May 20th TPE SFO nonstop UA booked in I class. Now checking their itinerary, it shows no segments and to accept the change. What change? There are no segments anymore. Will UA put them on non stop EVA that is still operating that day and I class available? In this case will they try to charge 10k miles more because of partner surcharge?

It's a month out and with day to day changes who knows? Today (for May 20th) there is a connection through NRT. Next week who knows?

radonc1 Apr 18, 2020 7:51 am

This is such a complex issue involving not only the US but foriegn nations as well.

After listening to the criteria necessary to achieve Levels 1,2 and 3 that the US has proposed for opening up society in the USA, I would be very cautious about international travel for several reasons

1. Most countries will probably try to emulate parts or all of the US program, which means that testing capability (and all that it entails) will also have to expand. At this time, there are few countries that will have that capability (Korea, Taiwan, Japan in Asia and some EU countires just to name a few, and China maybe)
2. We will have to avoid reinfections (and there is no assurance of that, for example Japan this week, presuming it was a reinfection and not a native hot spot)
3. We will need therapies which are just starting to come on-line and currently for only the sickest patients.
4. Countries will have had to open their borders, which is not as straightforward as it seems.
5 And most importantly, people will again want to travel. Without a cheap and effective therapy or vaccine, and with the disease still running rampant in many locations, most tourists will be reluctant to put their travels ahead of their health. Which means flights to locations will be sparse and expensive, further inhibiting tourism.

I honestly do not see major gains in travel for the rest of this year. That opinion is ameiliorated by the possible development of effective, inexpensive and easily administered therapeutics which could treat the disease and would make catching the disease no worse than putting up with a cold or mild flu. If that happens, then things rapidly shift back to a more normal picture.

zappa42m Apr 18, 2020 8:39 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 32303888)
This is such a complex issue involving not only the US but foriegn nations as well.

After listening to the criteria necessary to achieve Levels 1,2 and 3 that the US has proposed for opening up society in the USA, I would be very cautious about international travel for several reasons

1. Most countries will probably try to emulate parts or all of the US program, which means that testing capability (and all that it entails) will also have to expand. At this time, there are few countries that will have that capability (Korea, Taiwan, Japan in Asia and some EU countires just to name a few, and China maybe)
2. We will have to avoid reinfections (and there is no assurance of that, for example Japan this week, presuming it was a reinfection and not a native hot spot)
3. We will need therapies which are just starting to come on-line and currently for only the sickest patients.
4. Countries will have had to open their borders, which is not as straightforward as it seems.
5 And most importantly, people will again want to travel. Without a cheap and effective therapy or vaccine, and with the disease still running rampant in many locations, most tourists will be reluctant to put their travels ahead of their health. Which means flights to locations will be sparse and expensive, further inhibiting tourism.

I honestly do not see major gains in travel for the rest of this year. That opinion is ameiliorated by the possible development of effective, inexpensive and easily administered therapeutics which could treat the disease and would make catching the disease no worse than putting up with a cold or mild flu. If that happens, then things rapidly shift back to a more normal picture.

To number 1. The USA is behind most countries.

kb1992 Apr 18, 2020 9:05 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 32303759)
I reckon China will allow foreigners to freely enter in a few months, but potentially with a delay for anyone from the US.
I'll be happy to get back to PEK by the end of the year, maybe November?

(My Chinese residence permit is expiring in a few weeks...will have to restart the whole process when I can get back again. :()

PRC residency is very hard to get. Do you have permanent residency there?

My guess is August for PRC to open doors, but if any admission of US citizens requires 14 day quarantine, then it defeats purpose for many people e.g. tourists.

I would never fly to China if they put me in a crappy hotel for quarantine by force.

UA_Flyer Apr 18, 2020 9:05 am

Being Americans, at this moment in time, is not looking good to find countries that will allow us in if and when they start considering slowly open up their borders to selective countries in phases.

I hope that certain countries would allow Americans to enter for quarantine (14 days) and then the destination countries can allow us in after quarantine.
For example, let's say we are allowed into Singapore or New Zealand but not Australia. Australia would allow us in provided we come in through Singapore/NZ and have been quarantine there before arriving Australia. This is just an example. Not the best solution, but some of us involving in international business or have expatriate jobs need to find ways to travel regardless United has flights available.

moondog Apr 18, 2020 9:07 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 32303759)
(My Chinese residence permit is expiring in a few weeks...will have to restart the whole process when I can get back again. :()

I strongly advise you to renew before it expires....much easier than restarting from scratch (or close to it) and could be the difference between 1 and 5 years. I went to the main exit/entry office in Shanghai twice last month, and it was smooth sailing both times.

rosesplus Apr 18, 2020 9:09 am


Originally Posted by zappa42m (Post 32303992)
To number 1. The USA is behind most countries.

Agreed. Why would any country try to emulate the US response to Cov19, number 1 in fatalities, one of the lowest rates in testing and now leadership is promoting a new "Liberate" campaign? I can see US flyers being locked out of a number of countries.

kb1992 Apr 18, 2020 9:17 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 32304046)
I strongly advise you to renew before it expires....much easier than restarting from scratch (or close to it) and could be the difference between 1 and 5 years. I went to the main exit/entry office in Shanghai twice last month, and it was smooth sailing both times.

How difficult is it to start from scratch? Does this need to be approved at province level or local city level?

narvik Apr 18, 2020 9:23 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 32304046)
I strongly advise you to renew before it expires....much easier than restarting from scratch (or close to it) and could be the difference between 1 and 5 years. I went to the main exit/entry office in Shanghai twice last month, and it was smooth sailing both times.


I have to be in China for the renewal. THAT is the problem.

myperks Apr 18, 2020 9:33 am


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 32303354)
If EVA has I space on that date, available for partner booking, can certainly put them on it. They should waive the mileage difference, although it wouldn't entirely surprise me if a phone representative tried to charge it. Try saying "it was an involuntary change," and if that doesn't work, hang up and call again. That said, I only see I1 on that flight, so that may not work for everyone.


thanks. The two tickets were ticketed separately in case of changes since UA cannot split partner award bookings. But it doesn’t matter because the online availability are phantom spaces as the phone rep couldn’t see any of them. Only option now is economy to Tokyo on ANA and business on UA to SFO. The agent said to just keep the ticket in this state and call back periodically to check EVA availability. The first available per the phone rep system for 1 passenger is June 1.


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