Imstevek

It appears the fans of the TG layout haven't either flown TG or are shorter than 5-10 - it is very cramped in length and width, and impossible to lie flat if you are over 5-10. Very, very uncomfortable, even for 6-7 hours

hirohito888

I think the fuss is that people were expecting a SQ C seat but the seat turned into a narrow 1-2-1 lieflat.

But I think what everyone also fails to see is that the UA 77W is meant to boost capacity, to near 747 capacity. UA can definitely put spacious 1-2-1 and 60J seats, but then you'll end up with a capacity ~320 seats. As comparison, AF 77W BEST config, which has 58 J seats, but total 296 seats--you could take out F and PE, and add an extra 20 seats.

There's going to be trade-off somewhere. Either dense J, less J or less E+.

Kacee

I've flown the TG Solystys seat numerous times and like it. It's well cushioned, private, and the width is better than the sUA 772. It also has plenty of storage space and lacks the footwell problem you encounter with the sCO BF seat. I'm not tall, but don't recall any issues with seat length. It's certainly no shorter than any of the sCO seats (excepting possibly the 772).

sbm12

Except, of course, all the ones which do not.

Again, what is the difference between those and this, other than the angle of the seat relative to the axis of the plane?

So, in this case, that would be a yes, right?

Imstevek

LOL, Like I said, if you're over 5-10, the seat is rather uncomfortable. Much worse than the sUA 772.

Dieuwer

Indeed. Although the seats seem narrow to me. But that is another story.

kevanyalowitz

As someone that pays for J, and theoretically someone UA should be optimizing for, a dense J is a non-starter.

Right, the ones that don't are installing true 1-2-1 J. 4 seats between 2 aisles is not 1-2-1, however you spin it.

jeedk

No need for spin. As a passenger, I'll be getting all aisle access, a shelf for personal items, flat bed, perfect privacy at the window seats, and likely a 18" HD AVOD IFE.

The average US male height is just 5/9-10", so there's little need to optimize the seat and footwell space for Dutch basketball players.

Dieuwer

It is not just about average height. The average waist size of a US male probably is 50+....

Shareholder

For one thing, a sense of space and relative exclusivity vs the idea one is in a crowded pen. The "1" seats all actually have wondow access as well as aisle. All very significant differences that those who can afford to actually buy business class can weigh and opt for...by flying one of UA's competitors that offer true 1-2-1 and the space that comes with it. Otherwise the cabin relies on corporate contracts, deeply discounted fares and upgrades to be filled. Otherwise can't fathom why anyone would opt for UA when they could fly SQ or CX across the Pacific in one form or another of true 1-2-1...or even the new cabins of DL and AA.

(This layout is quite similar to the one BA has been using for many years and is now trying to upgrade with new seats and possibly less dense arrangement. It works a lot better on A380s than on 777s.)

Bonehead

We weren't discussing the lavatories...

Kacee

That is a distinct minority view. I've never heard that complaint about the TG seat before.

Dieuwer

Typo!

artvandalay

^ I'm 6' and slept like a baby from BKK to ARN on TG. Great business class seat.

hirohito888

Agree - if they optimized J for paying passengers. But 14 77W are optimized for the routes they're serving and the overall passengers and markets.

This seat might be sub-optimal when you go against carriers flying NYC-HKG/TYO. But if the plane is used for TLV/BOM/DEL/PVG/PEK, it's not any worse than AI/LY/CA/MU etc., or even EK/QR/EY/TK requiring 1-stop.

The other question is, how this seat plays out if it goes on A350 or retrofit on 787...

Simple, WiFi and RDM. If work is paying $6,000 for a ticket, then I don't mind dealing with UA's inferior seat and get 66,000 RDM. Plus, The value of the being connected and RDM outweigh the IFE, Asian hospitality, and "good food" CX/SQ has. And if DL/AA flew NYC-HKG, then maybe I would reconsider.

But I'm probably a minority on this forum.