Is this United's new business class layout?
Mar 11, 2016, 9:46 am
#76
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The spin really needs to stop. We're seeing UA evolve to basically be competitive with international LLC. Azul has a more competitive international J product than that.
And yet on United Airtime we see things like:
Q: Is United's plan still to convert Boeing 767-300s to a two-class configuration?
A: The feedback we’ve received from corporate customers dictates that an industry-leading business class cabin is more desirable than a traditional first class cabin. We will be converting all of our Boeing 767-300 aircraft to a two-class configuration – United BusinessFirst and Economy – to meet these needs.
United BusinessFirst offers a superior business-class service. We are listening to the needs of our customers globally and responding with new interiors from nose to tail, including flatbed seats and upgraded entertainment. BusinessFirst amenities include laptop power, USB ports, noise-reduction headsets, amenity kits featuring Cowshed brand skin-care products, duvet-style blankets and a multi-course meal with complimentary wines.
Seriously, adding a 10 year old seat to a 30 year old plane is NOT industry leading. UA's best customers are not stupid, and can see right through this.
And yet on United Airtime we see things like:
Q: Is United's plan still to convert Boeing 767-300s to a two-class configuration?
A: The feedback we’ve received from corporate customers dictates that an industry-leading business class cabin is more desirable than a traditional first class cabin. We will be converting all of our Boeing 767-300 aircraft to a two-class configuration – United BusinessFirst and Economy – to meet these needs.
United BusinessFirst offers a superior business-class service. We are listening to the needs of our customers globally and responding with new interiors from nose to tail, including flatbed seats and upgraded entertainment. BusinessFirst amenities include laptop power, USB ports, noise-reduction headsets, amenity kits featuring Cowshed brand skin-care products, duvet-style blankets and a multi-course meal with complimentary wines.
Seriously, adding a 10 year old seat to a 30 year old plane is NOT industry leading. UA's best customers are not stupid, and can see right through this.
Mar 11, 2016, 9:48 am
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Mar 11, 2016, 9:50 am
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I just hope this seat offers enough leg/foot space for sleeping. I find most 1-2-1 seats restrictive and narrow around the legs in sleep mode.
Mar 11, 2016, 9:54 am
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Mar 11, 2016, 9:56 am
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Based on some hints and feedback from posters elsewhere, I believe we are looking at a derivative of the Acumen Optima concept... if true, I suspect it might change some peoples' minds about the undesirability of the proposed product.
http://thedesignsoc.com/acumen-desig...ating-concept/
A few images from the link:
Interestingly, it's a concept that was linked to Lufthansa, so perhaps this is an indication of a forthcoming cross-carrier business class platform?
http://thedesignsoc.com/acumen-desig...ating-concept/
A few images from the link:
Interestingly, it's a concept that was linked to Lufthansa, so perhaps this is an indication of a forthcoming cross-carrier business class platform?
Mar 11, 2016, 10:05 am
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Mar 11, 2016, 10:05 am
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Based on some hints and feedback from posters elsewhere, I believe we are looking at a derivative of the Acumen Optima concept... if true, I suspect it might change some peoples' minds about the undesirability of the proposed product.
http://thedesignsoc.com/acumen-desig...ating-concept/
A few images from the link:
Interestingly, it's a concept that was linked to Lufthansa, so perhaps this is an indication of a forthcoming cross-carrier business class platform?
http://thedesignsoc.com/acumen-desig...ating-concept/
A few images from the link:
Interestingly, it's a concept that was linked to Lufthansa, so perhaps this is an indication of a forthcoming cross-carrier business class platform?
Mar 11, 2016, 10:13 am
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If the above concepts are correct, that looks fine to me. I would hope that there is a center divider that can go up or down if you aren't traveling with someone.
Mar 11, 2016, 10:15 am
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Mar 11, 2016, 10:18 am
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Based on some hints and feedback from posters elsewhere, I believe we are looking at a derivative of the Acumen Optima concept... if true, I suspect it might change some peoples' minds about the undesirability of the proposed product.
http://thedesignsoc.com/acumen-desig...ating-concept/
A few images from the link:
Interestingly, it's a concept that was linked to Lufthansa, so perhaps this is an indication of a forthcoming cross-carrier business class platform?
http://thedesignsoc.com/acumen-desig...ating-concept/
A few images from the link:
Interestingly, it's a concept that was linked to Lufthansa, so perhaps this is an indication of a forthcoming cross-carrier business class platform?
Mar 11, 2016, 10:19 am
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Seat width, bed length, aisle access, ease of seeing out the window and proximity to a travel companion are, at least to me, the metrics in play.
How does this compare on those versus the herringbone/reverse herringbone layouts?
The angle of the seat relative to the axis of the plane - the main difference between more traditional 1-2-1 and this - has zero impact on actual comfort IMO.
Mar 11, 2016, 10:20 am
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The spin really needs to stop. We're seeing UA evolve to basically be competitive with international LLC. Azul has a more competitive international J product than anything UA currently has, and likely will have if this layout is correct.
And yet on United Airtime we see things like:
Q: Is United's plan still to convert Boeing 767-300s to a two-class configuration?
A: The feedback we’ve received from corporate customers dictates that an industry-leading business class cabin is more desirable than a traditional first class cabin. We will be converting all of our Boeing 767-300 aircraft to a two-class configuration – United BusinessFirst and Economy – to meet these needs.
United BusinessFirst offers a superior business-class service. We are listening to the needs of our customers globally and responding with new interiors from nose to tail, including flatbed seats and upgraded entertainment. BusinessFirst amenities include laptop power, USB ports, noise-reduction headsets, amenity kits featuring Cowshed brand skin-care products, duvet-style blankets and a multi-course meal with complimentary wines.
Seriously, adding a 10 year old seat to a 30 year old plane is NOT industry leading. UA's best customers are not stupid, and can see right through this.
And yet on United Airtime we see things like:
Q: Is United's plan still to convert Boeing 767-300s to a two-class configuration?
A: The feedback we’ve received from corporate customers dictates that an industry-leading business class cabin is more desirable than a traditional first class cabin. We will be converting all of our Boeing 767-300 aircraft to a two-class configuration – United BusinessFirst and Economy – to meet these needs.
United BusinessFirst offers a superior business-class service. We are listening to the needs of our customers globally and responding with new interiors from nose to tail, including flatbed seats and upgraded entertainment. BusinessFirst amenities include laptop power, USB ports, noise-reduction headsets, amenity kits featuring Cowshed brand skin-care products, duvet-style blankets and a multi-course meal with complimentary wines.
Seriously, adding a 10 year old seat to a 30 year old plane is NOT industry leading. UA's best customers are not stupid, and can see right through this.
Last edited by goalie; Mar 11, 2016 at 12:27 pm Reason: Trolling comment removed
Mar 11, 2016, 10:28 am
#89
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I agree for the 2 center seats, and the window seat on the sides. The aisle seat on the sides looks awkward to me. The table appears to be behind the seat, which is angled away from the table. Looks like the table isn't usable for anything other than storing stuff that you want accessible but out of the way.
Mar 11, 2016, 10:29 am
#90
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In the acumen concept it looks like outer-middle seats and the window seats where the table is in between the seat and the window, that the table would be difficult to use while sitting fully up. Sorta have to reach behind you. But overall looks like a great product.