cfischer

Disagree. Spruengli is good chocolate

Seat is most important ... food and chocolate come as a distant 2nd. Unless they somehow manage to get great privacy into this setup and it is not too tight it might be o.k .... but it doesn't look like it.

JVPhoto

I don't understand why anyone, who has never seen or experienced something they are discussing, would choose to make such a steadfast decision.

sbm12

So this is worse than the existing 2-4-2 without direct aisle access??
It has not been announced AFAIK.

mduell

Nor close to the EK 777, old J or new J.

PsiFighter37

Just another example of what someone mentioned earlier. I don't give two hoots about EK's J product - it won't fly me to Asia non-stop from NYC, nor will it get me to almost any destination in Europe. I won't be spending time connecting in DXB just because it would be nice.

EWR764

And roughly how many flights do you have in this proposed configuration, such that you can conclude they are "not even close"?

Michael D

I thought this was the game killer.

PPM

This appears similar or even identical to Etihad's business class, which I flew last year from ORD-SYD. I really liked the privacy, although the actual seat size and space was smaller than what I just experienced last week on Qatar, which was also very nice. The direct-aisle access, versus my husband falling over me as he moves from the window to the bathroom is really nice.

cerealmarketer

As in this new UA seat is a step ahead of that.

The new Emirates 777 J is like the current UA 777 dorm layout - middle seats, but with the dealer aftermarket woodgrain, shiny hubcap, and rust prevention package.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/emirates-rev...ess-class-seat

"Emirates has revealed its new Boeing 777 business class seat, which will take to the skies from November on all new Boeing 777-300ER jets – and passengers in the middle seat have once again drawn the short straw.

There's plenty to like about the all-new design: the seats convert to a fully-flat bed, unlike the angled sleepers of today’s Boeing 777 business class, with a mini-bar and massive 23 inch personal video screen.

But, as expected, the 2-3-2 layout makes no allowance for direct aisle access by the passenger in the middle seat, who'll instead need to step past or over their seatmates to get to the aisle."

Current Emirates 777 J is angled flat.

tuolumne

I am the worlds last Emirates defender, but nice try. You seriously want us to believe that that lovely looking J product is inferior to a high-density J because it doesn't offer direct aisle access? Yeah right.

minnyfly

Maybe they're justifying it because the audience has some people that seemingly won't be satisfied no matter what UA installs on their aircraft. So there's an intimidation factor.

I don't feel the need to defend or justify anything. I really hope this is the new seat, because in my view this is near perfect on paper. Obviously the fine details we won't know yet until we try it, but to me this is clearly superior to the rest of the U.S. carriers on the surface. IMO, herringbone/reverse herringbone sucks. I'll be blunt about it. I dislike not having true window seats. I dislike not having true couples seating. I dislike having to stow the screen during takeoff and landing. I dislike having limited storage. I dislike the limited privacy. I dislike being at a significant sideways angle. And then at DL, you add on cheap fit-and-finish and so-so seat comfort. I'd much rather have this configuration. Hopefully UA does a good job on the fine details too.

I'd turn the question around too. To those that aren't happy with this concept, what we were you wanting. What is so wrong with this.

riphamilton

in terms of the new seat itself (as opposed to layout), wasn't there an overwhelmingly positive reaction from the chosen few GS/1K who were shown prototypes by UA?

bmwe92fan

If UA put in a true 1-2-1 like NH I'd give them a ton more of my business - but it doesn't look likely - that's what I - and I think others here - were so hopeful for.... If an airline like NH thinks this is the way to go - and trust me they analyze things like density and passenger loads to death - one would think that their strategy is solid - instead we get this - UA can scream "flat bed is only thing people want" as a competitive advantage / justification for this all they want - the reality is that the days for this being true are over - at least IMO....

cesco.g

The new lie-flat seat back then was pretty much a quantum leap at the time. In the current environment of many good/better lie-flat products out there, such a leap to an entire new level is just not in the cards - for UA or its direct competitors.

halls120

I only have two potential concerns. First, while there is aisle access for every seat (good) I hope it doesn't come at the price of a narrow, tight seat. We are talking about eight seats across, and we all know how tight the IPTE seats are, right?

Second, we are talking about a seat that was designed during the Smisek regime, and I'm worried they won't be padded as nicely as the IPTE seats, which are the best around for sleeping, IMO. We all know how the slimlines turned out.

Otherwise, I'm looking forward to these seats on the 777 and A350.