p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
Jun 16, 2015, 1:07 pm
#167
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I was going to say! Only United would choose New Jersey over... well... ANYWHERE. I went through EWR once. Like passing a kidney stone, I can't imagine the decision process involved in choosing this airport.
Given United's overseas reputation over the past week or so, the "international" traffic for United may see a significant decline.
At least we can hope...
Given United's overseas reputation over the past week or so, the "international" traffic for United may see a significant decline.
At least we can hope...
I took this route frequently in the past and the trains were far from completely reliable esp in the winter. There goes the option got CPU between the coasts as well for a direct flight. I just don't see the folks from the business sector doing the train route.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:08 pm
#168
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Gotham Air’s New $99 Helicopter Between Manhattan And JFK/EWR
The cost for first time users will be just $99 one way, and after that they’ll charge $199-219 depending on the departure time.
The cost for first time users will be just $99 one way, and after that they’ll charge $199-219 depending on the departure time.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:09 pm
#169
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Jun 16, 2015, 1:11 pm
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Mark my words, this is only a temporary move. They'll try to "win" some customers over with the PS service out of EWR until they can successfully get rid of PS all-together, and just throw 738/739's on those routes.
This is a win for B6 because now many of those carriers out of JFK (especially the Star Alliance carriers) can now feed the traffic continuing on to LAX/SFO to B6's Mint service.
UA did not end this service because of a "smart" move to consolidate operations at EWR, they are ending it because the glorified regional carrier found themselves unable to compete, and are running away like scared cats.
PMCO's fortress hubs are becoming fortresses again.
This is a win for B6 because now many of those carriers out of JFK (especially the Star Alliance carriers) can now feed the traffic continuing on to LAX/SFO to B6's Mint service.
UA did not end this service because of a "smart" move to consolidate operations at EWR, they are ending it because the glorified regional carrier found themselves unable to compete, and are running away like scared cats.
PMCO's fortress hubs are becoming fortresses again.
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Jun 16, 2015, 1:12 pm
#171
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Certainly UAs right to abandon JFK, even if it means losing a lot of high end PS customers from NYC, Westchester and southern CT. But they sure should be blocked from selling gates to Delta. Enough of these smug oligopolies where everyone winks but no words are ever spoken about how to raise prices. Fares between EWR and JFK and LA/SFO were rarely the same, with UA demanding a EWR premium for its captive customers. I, for one, will be urging regulators to turn down the gate swap proposal with Delta. How about a nice new, foreign competitor? Fool us 7 times, shame on them. Fool us an 8th time, get out your check book.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:13 pm
#172
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So that's what the CFO meant when he said the A380 "doesn't work" with UA's network, UA will actively cut routes partner A380s connect with.
More likely they're shopping lawyers to fight DL for the slots and trying to figure out how to match DL if DL is larger at JFK and has a full hub at LGA.
More likely they're shopping lawyers to fight DL for the slots and trying to figure out how to match DL if DL is larger at JFK and has a full hub at LGA.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:16 pm
#173
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Fundamentally, I guess for UA, sure, they can say they're "moving" the flights to EWR. The capacity in November might be A+B, if A is EWR's transcon traffic and B is PS today. In a year its going to be A. People used to flying to JFK are just going to switch carriers, and people who weren't schlepping to EWR aren't going to suddenly do so.
They're not going to be attracting anyone new with this move, its not like they're starting up VNY-TEB.
They're not going to be attracting anyone new with this move, its not like they're starting up VNY-TEB.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:17 pm
#174
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2. JFK is far less prone to air traffic delays.
3. JFK T7 is super easy and compact. There's no quicker walk to the gate, nor is there any quicker baggage delivery.
4. EWR is one of the nastiest airports in the country. Long lines, surly employees, frequent delays.
5. The Lincoln tunnel is a nightmare at rush hour.
I live in Manhattan. I work in finance. I fly business class on business. I am talking business customers who work in midtown east. Bankers. Lawyers. Private Equity. Hedge funds. Advertising guys. Fashion guys. They are not taking public transportation into or out of manhattan to freaking Newark
Now personal flying? It's great. I live on the west side. I take the Holland tunnel and am there quickly. But there is no way in hell I am taking a black car from midtown east to Newark via the Lincoln Tunnel at 5 or 6PM trying to catch a business flight to SFO. I'll fly Delta out of JFK where I can feasibly get off the island
Now personal flying? It's great. I live on the west side. I take the Holland tunnel and am there quickly. But there is no way in hell I am taking a black car from midtown east to Newark via the Lincoln Tunnel at 5 or 6PM trying to catch a business flight to SFO. I'll fly Delta out of JFK where I can feasibly get off the island
1. Airtrain to car rental station
2. Save $21 of two bridges to Jamica and Flushinh
3. I don't have to go out of my way to get BF from JFK-SFO/LAX by starting at JFK
With all that said...JFK is nicer than EWR because..
1. Less lines
2. Better crowd control
3. One of the quietest UA clubs in the network.
I just don't like DL to keep getting JFK slots. But with this change, I can assure you I really would do my best to avoid check-in and TSA lines at EWR.
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Jun 16, 2015, 1:19 pm
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Stupidity at its finest.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:22 pm
#176
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I've driven from ROC to NYC a couple of times. Even got stuck on 81 one Christmas Eve and had to spend the night in a motel. I can't imagine driving from ROC just to originate at EWR/JFK.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:24 pm
#177
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now with ZERO competition for NYC-SFO/LAX, cancellation of PS in 3.....2......1......
Jun 16, 2015, 1:24 pm
#178
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Originally Posted by red grenadine
I live in Manhattan. I work in finance. I fly business class on business. I am talking business customers who work in midtown east. Bankers. Lawyers. Private Equity. Hedge funds. Advertising guys. Fashion guys. They are not taking public transportation into or out of manhattan to freaking Newark
What is unambiguous is that United is trading three aggressive competitors at JFK to one weak competitor at EWR. In business, it usually makes sense to be the dominant player in a smaller market than a smaller player in a larger market.
Jun 16, 2015, 1:27 pm
#179
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Mark my words, this is only a temporary move. They'll try to "win" some customers over with the PS service out of EWR until they can successfully get rid of PS all-together, and just throw 738/739's on those routes.
This is a win for B6 because now many of those carriers out of JFK (especially the Star Alliance carriers) can now feed the traffic continuing on to LAX/SFO to B6's Mint service.
UA did not end this service because of a "smart" move to consolidate operations at EWR, they are ending it because the glorified regional carrier found themselves unable to compete, and are running away like scared cats.
PMCO's fortress hubs are becoming fortresses again.
This is a win for B6 because now many of those carriers out of JFK (especially the Star Alliance carriers) can now feed the traffic continuing on to LAX/SFO to B6's Mint service.
UA did not end this service because of a "smart" move to consolidate operations at EWR, they are ending it because the glorified regional carrier found themselves unable to compete, and are running away like scared cats.
PMCO's fortress hubs are becoming fortresses again.
We can debate all day over EWR and JFK (for me the only time I flew into EWR was enough) and yes traffic is bad either way. IMHO, people who do not know NYC see JFK as THE airport. Even though EWR is not the same as OAK, it has the same stigma.
When you boil it down UA is not able to compete with the majors. They have no desire to compete, you see it across their system. It saddens me to see all of the downgrades they have taken, I would not be surprised if we see more reductions at DEN and SFO- they are almost non existent now in SEA. While some would see this as a blessing, what are the plans with IAD?
Best of luck to those who stayed...
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