p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
Jun 16, 2015, 12:19 pm
#121
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Actually, it's the other way around. Pax from other countries are flying their flag carriers into JFK and connecting to ps. They will now be connecting to OAL, most likely B6.
UA already has the connecting traffic ex-EWR. That's why this is going to be a net loss of connecting traffic for UA.
The bigger loss will be the HVF O/D traffic though.
UA already has the connecting traffic ex-EWR. That's why this is going to be a net loss of connecting traffic for UA.
The bigger loss will be the HVF O/D traffic though.
If I'm flying one of those flag carriers and want to get to LAX or SFO, why on earth would I choose to connect through JFK (requiring customs clearance during my connection, switching terminals, etc.) vs. taking a direct flight from Europe or connecting onto a direct flight from Europe? Sure there are some places where JFK might be preferable, but are there really that many?
Jun 16, 2015, 12:19 pm
#122
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Either you have never taken the trip yourself or you have no idea of public transportation in the NYC area. I fly in and out of all 3 airports but driving and via the trains. You can get to midtown a lot faster to EWR than either LGA or JFK. And you dont have to take a bus with luggage like LGA. Airtrain to NJT, fast quick and cheap. You dont even need to stop at a machine to buy a ticket it can all be done via the app while youre walking to the airtrain.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:19 pm
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Jun 16, 2015, 12:21 pm
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I personally LOVE this change. The interesting thing to see will be what happens with the standard economy class fare. Buying JFK-LAX in economy is usually $150 each way, while the EWR-LAX fares are usually much higher. It doesn't affect me directly, but I am curious how that will play out. If I am booking a lot of people in economy in and out of New York to Los Angeles (As I do), the removal of the cheaper fare may drive even more of my business away from United.
Personally though for me own flights, I like this better
J
Personally though for me own flights, I like this better
J
Jun 16, 2015, 12:22 pm
#125
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I have an LAX-EWR-Europe flight ticketed in Z on Oct 26. LAX-EWR had been on a 737. It's already changed in the system to a 757-200 (European configuration).
Edit: Seat map shows 757-200. Description shows 737-800.
Edit: Seat map shows 757-200. Description shows 737-800.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:22 pm
#126
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25-30 minutes on the train. Yup, just on the train. What about taking the tram to the train, then taking a cab or public transportation once you get to the city, to reach your destination?
You have now far exceeded the 30 minutes you claim. Let's be real, I took the train recently, and it took me over an hour just to get into Penn Station. Add another 15 minute walk, to my hotel.
You have now far exceeded the 30 minutes you claim. Let's be real, I took the train recently, and it took me over an hour just to get into Penn Station. Add another 15 minute walk, to my hotel.
Being lazy and plugging it into google maps from my house to EWR 59 min on subway/train...1:13 min on subway train to JFK.
Car 50min to JFK and 36min to EWR.
I personally prefer taking a black car. But there are times when the arrival/departure I know will be mucked up with traffic so I take the train and that is when I am happy I am flying in/out of EWR (such as on Memorial Day weekend...).
What you are quoting about the train and me saying 30 min was talking about people who are already in Midtown as the person I was quoting was saying that Midtown business people are not going to make the trip to EWR over JFK.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:26 pm
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As I said, the big loss will be the HVF O/D traffic.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:27 pm
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Given United's overseas reputation over the past week or so, the "international" traffic for United may see a significant decline.
At least we can hope...
Jun 16, 2015, 12:28 pm
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GFL access was a nice benefit for GS on LAX-JFK ps flights. First they took the GFL away at LAX, and I don't believe there is one at EWR, so they are essentially eliminating this GS benefit.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:29 pm
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Possibly? This move effectively means the end of Queens/Brooklyn/Long Island pax flying UA to the west coast. While most of the premium-cabin traffic comes from Manhattan, you still have to fill the backs of planes with people. Where will they come from? Local O&D? Connections to *A flights? I'm scratching my head here.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:29 pm
#131
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Good reminder for anyone already in F post-10/26 in a 73x. Be sure you're in rows 1-4, so that if the flight switches to a 752 with 16 BF seats, you have a better chance of not getting bumped down.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:30 pm
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Surprised no one ever discusses VX when it comes to transcons. Their premium product is old, but a lot of SF tech companies are loyal to VX, and a lot of people fly those planes in economy. VX flies to both SFO/LAX from both EWR/JFK and isn't going away anytime soon, which will may keep rates down.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:32 pm
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Looks like they already pulled all JFK flights after 10/24. It's going to be an issue for me, since we are looking at a 10/23-25 weekend trip.
Jun 16, 2015, 12:33 pm
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I don't believe it to be an urban FlyerTalk myth... the timing of it was too coincidental... and unless you're the one who was booking travel for everyone in the union I doubt you are qualified to say "most" everyone was flying AA when UA was supplying a significant amount of the 3 class F capacity on the route at the time...
Its pretty amazing to see the puffery in the PR pieces announcing the move, its not a strategic withdrawal, it lets passengers use the bull- OTG ipads in the terminal!
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Jun 16, 2015, 12:34 pm
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Seriously though, it's kind of sad for me that I will never take ps again. UNITED already dominates the EWR market, they are not going to pick up more traffic by moving ps over there. I loathed going to EWR when I lived in NYC (Washington Heights & Fort Greene).
Now, as an eastbound customer:
Now, as an eastbound customer:
- Flying from LAX and ending in NYC - AirTrain -> NJ Transit -> Subway/Taxi is more inconvenient (and costly) than transit options via JFK.
- Flying from LAX and transiting through EWR - EWR and its endless delays make it the LEAST attractive UNITED hub to transit through.
- The ps soft product was already the least competitive. I don't see a reason to switch when JFK has DL/VX/AA/B6.
Last edited by anc-ord772; Jun 16, 2015 at 1:02 pm