p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
Jun 16, 2015, 3:12 pm
#226
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Giving up a route you have been flying over 50 years ?
New York is a hudge market, looks like flights operate pretty full from both EWR and JFK. Why not keep some service from JFK, add ORD and IAH. They dropped IAD lady year. Probably related to the merger, UA putting all their resources into EWR.
New York is a hudge market, looks like flights operate pretty full from both EWR and JFK. Why not keep some service from JFK, add ORD and IAH. They dropped IAD lady year. Probably related to the merger, UA putting all their resources into EWR.
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Jun 16, 2015, 3:14 pm
#227
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Which would have some validity if JFK and EWR were the same airport, but they are not, and those who were flying into JFK are not going to just starting flying into EWR.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:14 pm
#228
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The way I see it -
# of Daily SFO-NYC flights with flat bed :
UA 17
DL 8
AA 7
UA > DL+AA
Jun 16, 2015, 3:20 pm
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EWR V JFK from midtown.
Psychologically JFK feels closer and easier but it isn't. I think a large part of it is down to the fact that taking a yellow taxi to EWR was always such a hassle.
I'm not a real FF but in the last couple of years must of done midtown to JFK and EWR 15 times each and I've had far more horrible taxi journeys trying to get to JFK.
Psychologically JFK feels closer and easier but it isn't. I think a large part of it is down to the fact that taking a yellow taxi to EWR was always such a hassle.
I'm not a real FF but in the last couple of years must of done midtown to JFK and EWR 15 times each and I've had far more horrible taxi journeys trying to get to JFK.
New York Penn to EWR requires a ride on NJ Transit (more expensive, worse schedules, beat up trains) to the AirTrain Newark. IIRC, only during rush hour with express trains can a ride from NYC Penn to Newark Penn be done in around 20 minutes. The only reason for this is because they bypass Seacaucus station which adds easily another 10 minutes to the journey.
Meaning, it takes longer to get to the EWR airport station than it does Jamaica. And good luck utilizing NJ Transit from EWR to NYC on the weekends or during off peak. It will take you up to 2 hours.
Once you get to EWR, everything way worse than JFK. Travel time door to door is more, and then you have to put up with the mishap of Terminal C security lines, crowds, and delays.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:21 pm
#230
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Very sorry to see this go.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:23 pm
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Since EWR is a buttcrack compared to JFK, I think JFK wins.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:23 pm
#232
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The way I see it -
# of Daily SFO-NYC flights with flat bed :
UA 17
DL 8
AA 7
UA > DL+AA
# of Daily SFO-NYC flights with flat bed :
UA 17
DL 8
AA 7
UA > DL+AA
Jun 16, 2015, 3:25 pm
#233
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Okay, you all have made a convincing argument: NYC has deficient road and transit infrastructure whether you're going east or west of Manhattan. But I grew up in the tri-state area (EWR was my home airport then), so that's not exactly news to me.
On that note... does this suggest UA is more confident than it's letting on about the PATH extension to EWR getting built?
On that note... does this suggest UA is more confident than it's letting on about the PATH extension to EWR getting built?
Jun 16, 2015, 3:32 pm
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Jun 16, 2015, 3:35 pm
#236
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One thing I did find interesting, the timing of this change, Oct 24, which is the same date as last year's elimination of JFK-IAD, so the time may be a significant date in UA's contract with BA, which owns T7.
There may be more to the story than the way they're spinning it. Perhaps BA is going to move into T8 with AA and either redevelop or sell for redevelopment T7.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:36 pm
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Where do the spare A320s, A319s, 753s, 738s, and 739s go?
Not sure if anybody pointed this out yet, but actually, this could be a good news for all UA flights from other cities. I guess the spare aircraft can easily fill up the DL/AA/B6/WN routes, so people from
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-carriers.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-routes-2.html
may be able to get better seats than CRJs or Q400s!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-carriers.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-routes-2.html
may be able to get better seats than CRJs or Q400s!
Jun 16, 2015, 3:37 pm
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As someone who lives in New jersey, making Newark my only real choice, Im just hoping this wont lead to more price increases.
Newark is already the most expensive airport in the area.
Newark is already the most expensive airport in the area.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:38 pm
#239
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Very disappointed to hear UA is abandoning JFK. My trips to NY (from SFO) mean I'm traveling to Brookhaven, out on Long Island. Now I either have to connect through ORD to LGA, or fly non-stop via another airline.
Just another step down the spiral for UA.
Just another step down the spiral for UA.
Jun 16, 2015, 3:39 pm
#240
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With 1MM, if I were you, I would have been long gone from UA, and maybe I would only leave UA for international flights. Any other domestic routes (except HNL, and GUM ones) are better than UAs.