Dieuwer

The 2-4-2 cabin on AF 777-200 is called "Premium Economy".
Total joke of UA to call their 2-4-2 cabin "BusinessFirst".

kevanyalowitz

There is nothing first class about any UA J offering, and there probably will never be. However, 2-4-2 lie flat J is in no way comparable to 2-4-2 premium economy. Apples to oranges.

Dieuwer

No lie flat J, as all the seats are broken.

BB2220

I'm not saying they don't break, but I've never experienced a broken J seat. But you could be one of the extremely unlucky fliers in this website where every flight is delayed three hours, every phone call involves a two hour hold where the agent hangs up on you, the FA's throw slop in the community horse trough on your dark 737, and everything on the airplane is broken all the time.

cricketer

The new LH C seats are very solid IMO. Have flown them a few times, and get a great sleep. I couldn't give a toss about aisle access - I want a bed that's long enough and comfortable enough to sleep on, and they provide it.

Not identical. From what I've heard, the KLM product is the same seat as the UA (sCO) seats, but significantly longer. That makes a huge difference if true. If long enough, it would transform a really bad seat into a solidly good seat for me.

I think it's even fewer than that. Emirates business isn't long enough for me. Same goes for TG, NH with their staggered layout. Not comfortable for sleeping. Haven't flown Cathay, BR is similar and good, AC's 787 seat is excellent. So as insane as it sounds, there are not too many airlines on which you can get a reliably good business seat for a person much over 6 feet tall.

I fully concede that if I were under 6 feet, then my opinions would be radically different. How us minorities suffer in life, eh?

halls120

I'd like to say I'm surprised at this customer-unfriendly move, but I'm not.

UA doesn't care about any of their frequent fliers, why should they care about their HVF's?

And you're surprised because?

mduell

Do you know which design firm they used? Last time it was Pentagram for the design, then produced by B/E.

The AF 2-4-2 cabin also has half the pitch of the UA 2-4-2... can't even lay down in it.

EWR764

I believe UA has retained PriestmanGoode as design firm.

lensman

I don't suppose it's possible that the new UA C seat will be so good it will further erode the difference between the old IPTE/LFBF seats and the GF seat?

It seems that overwhelmingly, popular opinion is that GF is not competitive with any other carrier offering international F. There is certainly little chance that UA will improve GF to be competitive. From this it's possibly a good strategy for us to stop hoping for an improved GF and instead lobby for an improved BF hard product that is good enough that it eliminates any real need for GF. What does this seat need to have?
1. All aisle access.
2. Long enough with enough room for big feet.
3. A bit more storage than the current "none" of the IPTE seat.

Anything else?

mduell

I would expect a new all-aisle-access J seat to be quite tight compared to the current GF seat. Nothing's free on an airplane and if you add more storage/work area you're going to have to take it out of the seat/bed dimensions or reduce the density of the cabin. And I can't see the current management going for the latter, especially after how they their previous airline made a point of retaining density in the BF to LFBF transition.

Always Flyin

No one is going to see anything new on the 77W.

New airplane--same seats. Just like the brand new 789s.

sbm12

I'm willing to take that bet. What are you willing to stake?

nikolastojsin

That bet is already won/lost; 3-4-3 (ten abreast) Y is definitely new.

sbm12

I know. But if someone is still willing to take the other side why shouldn't I profit a bit on that??

halls120

Because that would be dishonest?