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Old Jan 6, 2015, 9:07 pm
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In *A, mileage earning is based on the rules for the operating carrier
There are three key pieces of info needed
1. The operating carrier of the flight segment (how marketed / codeshare do not matter)
2. The fare class of the operating carrier. This can be a problem if purchased as codeshare because the codeshare's fare class is not relevant.
3. Program you are crediting

If crediting to United MileagePlus, see the partner earning tables to determine earnings (both RDMs and PQMs)
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 5:14 pm
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Read the interline booking rules in the fare. Your TA can provide them to you, or use a tool like ExpertFlyer.
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 5:37 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell
Read the interline booking rules in the fare. Your TA can provide them to you, or use a tool like ExpertFlyer.
The interline booking booking codes that are filed in the fares are only applicable if you book directly into the flight number for that carrier. While they should bear a strong resemblance to what would happen if you book the codeshare, it is no guarantee that it will do so. I don't know of any specific cases where they're different now, but it's frequently been the case in the past that W booked on a United codeshare is actually V on Lufthansa, but if you booked the Lufthansa flight number directly the fare filed required W. While this example actually works in the passenger's favor, others may not.

There isn't really any way to know for sure how they map except for booking the flight and then asking the operating carrier what booking code they see for your reservation in their systems (or if you can, pulling it up on their website).
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Sykes
The interline booking booking codes that are filed in the fares are only applicable if you book directly into the flight number for that carrier. While they should bear a strong resemblance to what would happen if you book the codeshare, it is no guarantee that it will do so. I don't know of any specific cases where they're different now, but it's frequently been the case in the past that W booked on a United codeshare is actually V on Lufthansa, but if you booked the Lufthansa flight number directly the fare filed required W. While this example actually works in the passenger's favor, others may not.

There isn't really any way to know for sure how they map except for booking the flight and then asking the operating carrier what booking code they see for your reservation in their systems (or if you can, pulling it up on their website).
I guess I mean codeshare rather than interline. Here's an example of the info I'm talking about from EF, where it's a UA fare, but you can see what it books into on NH:

Code:
Booking Class
>$LB1                                                          
001 HOUSEL 11MAY18 UA USD 1549.00 QKG0WUMG STAY-||/12MBK-Q     
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES    
--------  ----------------------                 ----------    
QKG0WUMG  SHOULDER SEASON ROUND TRIP INSTANT        Q          
QKG0WUMG  PURCHASE FARES                                       
QKG0WUMG  BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES       
QKG0WUMG  FOR ADULT                                            
                                                               
 BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS                                       
   VIA UA  Q     REQUIRED      Q- FARES                        
   VIA LH  Q     REQUIRED      Q- FARES  WITHIN AREA 3         
   VIA WP  V     REQUIRED      Q- FARES  WITHIN USHI           
   

Alternate Airline (NH)
>$LB1/NH                                                       
001 HOUSEL 11MAY18 UA USD 1549.00 QKG0WUMG STAY-||/12MBK-Q     
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES    
--------  ----------------------                 ----------    
QKG0WUMG  SHOULDER SEASON ROUND TRIP INSTANT        Q          
QKG0WUMG  PURCHASE FARES                                       
QKG0WUMG  BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES       
QKG0WUMG  FOR ADULT                                            
                                                               
BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS FOR CARRIER: NH                        
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               5001-5399                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
   5470-5850                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               5901-5999                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6250-6299                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6334-6449                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6550-6750                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6781-6999                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               7814-7843                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               7950-9999                       
IF VIA UA                      Q- FARES  07SEP17-30SEP18       
   VIA NH  B     REQUIRED      WITHIN JAPAN                    
IF VIA UA                      ALL ECONOMY CABIN               
                               07SEP17-30SEP18                 
   VIA NH  H     REQUIRED      WITHIN JAPAN                    
IF VIA UA                      Q- FARES                        
   VIA NH  Q     REQUIRED                                      
IF VIA UA                      ALL ECONOMY CABIN               
   VIA NH  K     REQUIRED                                      
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               3000-3200                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               3300-4840                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               5400-5469                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               5851-5900                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6000-6249                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6300-6333                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6450-6549                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               6751-6780                       
   VIA NH                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                               7000-7813                       
IF VIA **                      ALL CARRIERS EXCEPT NH          
                               07APR18-30SEP18                 
IF VIA **                      ALL CARRIERS EXCEPT NH          
   VIA NH  K     REQUIRED      ALL INTERNATIONAL SECTORS       
   VIA NH  H     REQUIRED      WITHIN JAPAN  07APR18-30SEP18   
   VIA NH  K     REQUIRED      ALL INTERNATIONAL SECTORS
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 8:06 pm
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but you say you want to use UA to book a UA-codeshare flight operated by NH, but to credit the miles to your OZ account. If this is the case, I don't think UA crediting agreements with NH have anything to do with the miles you will accumulate on OZ. Indeed, the only crediting rules that will apply are OZ's -- and while they might credit a NH flight number, it would be unusual if they allowed you to credit a UA-codeshare number. But the final arbiter is OZ's rules, not UA's.
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by laxmillenial
Well, it looks like you got an answer below. What I've done is always just book the itin, view the reservation through ANA and see what fare classes I'm booked into, and if I don't like those, then I cancel the reservation in less than 24 hours to incur a penalty.

I do this often for Air Canada due to the "Tango" fares.
I think most NH and UA classes map to the same. But note what you suggest above doesn’t work, necessarily. The fare classes you see online are going to be based on the marketing carrier, so if it’s booked as a codeshare, will only show the codeshare class, even if you look at it on the operators website. Calling the operating carrier is the only real way, aside from digging into the mapping on the fare rules.

Also, specific to AC, the ‘Tango’ fare mapping doesn’t really work anymore, as AC has mucked up its fare classes where the classes aren’t dedicated to a fare family anymore - it used to be that way. Specific S fares, for example, could be a Tango fare while a different S fare on the same flight could be a Flex fare.
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by seenitall
Indeed, the only crediting rules that will apply are OZ's -- and while they might credit a NH flight number, it would be unusual if they allowed you to credit a UA-codeshare number. But the final arbiter is OZ's rules, not UA's.
In Star Alliance, only the operating carrier matters. An NH flight with a UA flight number should absolutely be eligible for OZ credit; however, it will be credited according to the fare class reported by NH, which is why OP wanted to know how they'd map.

Originally Posted by mduell
I guess I mean codeshare rather than interline. Here's an example of the info I'm talking about from EF, where it's a UA fare, but you can see what it books into on NH:
So, the information that you've listed here is exactly what I used in order to give my reply. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Sykes is right. This information is what you use to find inventory requirements for an NH-coded segment on a UA fare component. It is not necessarily the same as the RBD that will be used internally by NH for a codeshare flight on the same UA fare.

Keep in mind that these systems predate frequent flyer programs by years. Other than estimating frequent flyer credit, I can't think of any reason that a traveler would need that bit of information (NH's internal RBD). It doesn't seem like anything that most GDS customers would have needed to know at the time that the systems were designed. and while it could certainly be backfilled into these tables, I don't think it actually has been.

OP: Due to the UA/NH joint venture, I'm confident that this mapping is going to turn out to be exactly what I said -- W to W, K to K, S to S. However, I agree with the other advice you've gotten -- pull the reservation up on NH's site, or call them, if you want absolute certainty. If you've bought the ticket through United directly, you have 24 hours from purchase to cancel for a full refund if you don't like what you're told.
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by jsloan
This information is what you use to find inventory requirements for an NH-coded segment on a UA fare component. It is not necessarily the same as the RBD that will be used internally by NH for a codeshare flight on the same UA fare.

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OP: Due to the UA/NH joint venture, I'm confident that this mapping is going to turn out to be exactly what I said -- W to W, K to K, S to S. However, I agree with the other advice you've gotten -- pull the reservation up on NH's site, or call them, if you want absolute certainty. If you've bought the ticket through United directly, you have 24 hours from purchase to cancel for a full refund if you don't like what you're told.
Correct. The mapping of codeshare booking class to the booking class used by the operating carrier isn't published externally anywhere (as far as I know). The information that mduell pasted is published so that travel agents know what booking class to use if they book the flight directly on the operating carrier's flight number, but that isn't the same table that the carriers use for their codeshare mappings.

In general, that table should be pretty closely aligned with the codeshare mappings, especially with UA's Joint Venture partners like NH and the LH Group since they harmonized booking classes, but I've personally observed situations where it is not the case, and it's more common with non-JV Star Alliance carriers ... which is unfortunately where it tends to matter the most since the booking classes aren't aligned and the mapping is less obvious.
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Old May 20, 2018, 3:55 pm
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anyone knows how does Austrian Y map to United? also Y?
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Old May 20, 2018, 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by mario_s
anyone knows how does Austrian Y map to United? also Y?
Y maps to Y. Not seen this any different anywhere. Else ... route and fare and someone can look it up.
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Old May 20, 2018, 4:18 pm
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Ord-las, elrceu3w
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Old May 20, 2018, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by mario_s
Ord-las, elrceu3w
1. There are no published OS fares ORD-LAS
2. elrceu3w does not appear to be a published UA fare.
3. If that were a fare, it would be an E, not a Y.

What is your actual routing?
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Took a guess based on OP's program listing of LO SEN that the route is WAWLAS. There is effectively a OS ELRCEU3W fare filed for that route.

Looks like it books into M on UA.
Code:
057 WAWLAS 20MAY18 OS USD 1208.00 ELRCEU3W STAY- V/12MBK-E     
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES    
--------  ----------------------                 ----------    
ELRCEU3W  PREMIUM ECONOMY ADVANCE PURCHASE FARES    E          
ELRCEU3W  BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 1 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES       
                                                               
BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS FOR CARRIER: UA                                   
IF VIA AC                      E- FARES  VIA ATLANTIC          
   VIA UA  M     REQUIRED      WITHIN AREA 1                   
IF VIA OS                      E- FARES                        
   VIA UA  M     REQUIRED
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Old May 21, 2018, 3:19 am
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yes, WAW-LAS. thx!
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Originally Posted by mozilla
Took a guess based on OP's program listing of LO SEN that the route is WAWLAS. There is effectively a OS ELRCEU3W fare filed for that route.

Looks like it books into M on UA.

057 WAWLAS 20MAY18 OS USD 1208.00 ELRCEU3W STAY- V/12MBK-E
FARE CLS EXPLANATION BOOK CODES
-------- ---------------------- ----------
ELRCEU3W PREMIUM ECONOMY ADVANCE PURCHASE FARES E
ELRCEU3W BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 1 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES

BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS FOR CARRIER: UA
IF VIA AC E- FARES VIA ATLANTIC
VIA UA M REQUIRED WITHIN AREA 1
IF VIA OS E- FARES
VIA UA M REQUIRED
Does it mean that I can book it on UA stock?
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Old Jun 10, 2018, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by mario_s
Does it mean that I can book it on UA stock?
nope. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF OS.

There is a corresponding E fare on AC ... that you should be able to get 016 stock ... but unlikely the routing you would like.
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