Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 am
Last edit by: Bitterroot
Updates to Wiki as of 20 January 2014
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
[Confirmed] SYD going UA 3 Cabin 777 in 2014 [and other 747 route changes]
Aug 15, 2013, 9:20 pm
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Aug 15, 2013, 9:21 pm
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Same with sending 747s back to ORD so soon after making a big deal if consolidating them at SFO. Laser sharp planning skills.
Right?
747 will still be flying out of ORD. So that ain't it.
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Aug 15, 2013, 9:26 pm
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Is the 747 to 777 change seasonal? It would make sense it was.
Also will the 747s finally have the power ports and streaming IFE turned on by then?
Also will the 747s finally have the power ports and streaming IFE turned on by then?
Aug 15, 2013, 10:09 pm
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So it's confirmed that LAX - SYD as well as SFO - SYD will become 777 flights next spring. Additional changes include :
SFO - KIX - From 777 & 747 to 787
ORD - FRA, ORD - PVG, ORD - NRT back to 744s that will route thru SFO.
Changes should be loaded and bookable this Saturday.
SFO - KIX - From 777 & 747 to 787
ORD - FRA, ORD - PVG, ORD - NRT back to 744s that will route thru SFO.
Changes should be loaded and bookable this Saturday.
Aug 15, 2013, 10:15 pm
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Based on the jousting in this thread I do not know whether this is a good thing or not (i.e. for SYD routes) swapping the 747s for sUA 777. I have been flying the 747s from SYD for such a long, long, long time now and sort of have a sentimental attachment for the flying museums not to mention my favourite seats. However, I have been disrupted more frequently the past couple of years by the unreliability of the 747s. Perhaps the 777s will make UA more competitive on these routes but I would have thought smaller PAX and cargo capacity would negate this to some extent. Then of course I expect it will be even harder to secure those GPU upgrades with a lower number of seats in BF and no F. I'll give it a go for a while and see but if it is true that SQ will be flying SYD to USA then this will be a very attractive alternative.
Aug 15, 2013, 10:40 pm
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Based on the jousting in this thread I do not know whether this is a good thing or not (i.e. for SYD routes) swapping the 747s for sUA 777. I have been flying the 747s from SYD for such a long, long, long time now and sort of have a sentimental attachment for the flying museums not to mention my favourite seats. However, I have been disrupted more frequently the past couple of years by the unreliability of the 747s. Perhaps the 777s will make UA more competitive on these routes but I would have thought smaller PAX and cargo capacity would negate this to some extent. Then of course I expect it will be even harder to secure those GPU upgrades with a lower number of seats in BF and no F. I'll give it a go for a while and see but if it is true that SQ will be flying SYD to USA then this will be a very attractive alternative.
Aug 15, 2013, 11:19 pm
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How much less? I don't see a big cargo difference, but it all comes down to mission rules set by UA. One thing is clear, they will be leaving some fuel behind in SYD
Aug 15, 2013, 11:23 pm
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Just for reference, the more capable sCO 772's are rated at 656k
Aug 15, 2013, 11:47 pm
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but with all the 787 lift coming online, and UA down-gauging some routes from 772 to 788, won't there be spare 772's to support additional TPAC frequency? UA used to have two daily SFO-SYD flights and LAX-SYD plus LAX-MEL direct. Perhaps going to 772's will support another flight. Or is this a placeholder until the 350's arrive?
On the other hand, I suspect it might just be a downgauge. The recent collapse of the Australian dollar from $US1.10ish to $US0.90ish should mean a reduction in the number of cashed-up Aussies heading to the US on shopping expeditions.
Aug 15, 2013, 11:54 pm
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No, SFO-KIX is 1 flight a day usually operated by a PMUA 777 or 747.
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Aug 16, 2013, 12:54 am
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This is all great. Alan Joyce is having a bottle of expensive Scotch right now. All smiles.
Unlike [insert expletive here] D Parker he is NOT sending SMI/J an email questioning this one....
Unlike [insert expletive here] D Parker he is NOT sending SMI/J an email questioning this one....
Aug 16, 2013, 3:00 am
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very entertaining and popular thread
You guys obviously haven't been on Air Canada's 777-200 non-stop service YVR-SYD.
other thoughts:
-NZ is a nicer product, but beginning 2014, it'll be hard to get PQD's on those flights. Business win for UA.
-QF Y service on 388 is almost as bad as UA Y service on 744. Correction. The food & service is superior. It's the equipment. Yes. IFE has no comparison until the Y guy in front of you in the 388 reclines your IFE into your chest.
-QF Y service on 744 is quite nice IMO. I just did that LAX-BNE a couple months ago. Fine Kangaroo painted on the side of the fuselage.
-UA 787 Y seats are squishy in 3-3-3 configuration but that's UA's fault. NH flies the same piece of metal with Y in a 2-4-2 configuration. It's ironic that NH provides more Y space. Did Boeing get its deliveries swapped?
-When UA gets rid of all of their 744's to the other side of the Pacific, I'll gladly fly UA more often.
-I kind of miss the PMCO planes when I fly PMCO domestic routes. The PMUA planes have a lot fewer F class seats into which to upgrade, no DirectTV and no cheeseburgers.
You guys obviously haven't been on Air Canada's 777-200 non-stop service YVR-SYD.
other thoughts:
-NZ is a nicer product, but beginning 2014, it'll be hard to get PQD's on those flights. Business win for UA.
-QF Y service on 388 is almost as bad as UA Y service on 744. Correction. The food & service is superior. It's the equipment. Yes. IFE has no comparison until the Y guy in front of you in the 388 reclines your IFE into your chest.
-QF Y service on 744 is quite nice IMO. I just did that LAX-BNE a couple months ago. Fine Kangaroo painted on the side of the fuselage.
-UA 787 Y seats are squishy in 3-3-3 configuration but that's UA's fault. NH flies the same piece of metal with Y in a 2-4-2 configuration. It's ironic that NH provides more Y space. Did Boeing get its deliveries swapped?
-When UA gets rid of all of their 744's to the other side of the Pacific, I'll gladly fly UA more often.
-I kind of miss the PMCO planes when I fly PMCO domestic routes. The PMUA planes have a lot fewer F class seats into which to upgrade, no DirectTV and no cheeseburgers.
And why is it ironic that NH offers more Y space in their 788s?
Personally I'm hoping for UA to either bring a nonstop to MEL, or at least keep providing an affordable option to get to ORD from MEL
Aug 16, 2013, 5:15 am
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Aug 16, 2013, 9:21 am
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Can you substantiate that? Boeing's public payload/range charts show the 777-200ER can haul more cargo with full pax and bags than the 747-700 at the LAX-SYD ESAD; even with the derated MTOW they come out even.