Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 am
Last edit by: Bitterroot
Updates to Wiki as of 20 January 2014
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
[Confirmed] SYD going UA 3 Cabin 777 in 2014 [and other 747 route changes]
Aug 15, 2013, 11:21 am
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The last time I checked a fully sold plane and an oversold plane weigh exactly the same, save for the passengers left behind.
Aug 15, 2013, 11:51 am
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Maybe overselling would be an advantage, because if they are going to IDB some pax they could choose the people of size.
Aug 15, 2013, 11:59 am
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Why wouldn't they care? This sort of comment (along with others that talk about a "hostile" attitude towards customers, which is actually more like indifference by some employees) is repeated on a regular basis here as though it were the truth but I don't get the motivation. Why would they "claim" that they want HVFs but then not care about whether they get them or not? Who would they be fooling?
I really don't know why anyone with a lick of common sense who would think that insulting your frequent customer base was a wise idea, but maybe the UA management has a "savvy" plan to make all of this work out in the end.
Yes, I would have said the same thing even if the sUA seat had won the vote.
Last edited by halls120; Aug 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Aug 15, 2013, 12:03 pm
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Also.... AFAIK none of the CO777's have wifi?
most of the 747's running the SYD route have had wifi for ages now and its worth $$$ to me to not be 1000emails behind when I get off the plane
United installed wifi on its first 747 in January 2013. If that is ages than i must be a fossil.
PMCO Bizfirst seats are way more comfortable than pmUA bizfirst seats, they are wider and longer, and you are 2x2x2 regardless of which area of the plane your on, versus 2x4x2/2x2.
If you want the better economy seat of the two, PMCO 777 16 C/J are the most comfortable seats in the house in Y.
most of the 747's running the SYD route have had wifi for ages now and its worth $$$ to me to not be 1000emails behind when I get off the plane
United installed wifi on its first 747 in January 2013. If that is ages than i must be a fossil.
PMCO Bizfirst seats are way more comfortable than pmUA bizfirst seats, they are wider and longer, and you are 2x2x2 regardless of which area of the plane your on, versus 2x4x2/2x2.
If you want the better economy seat of the two, PMCO 777 16 C/J are the most comfortable seats in the house in Y.
Aug 15, 2013, 12:05 pm
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Perhaps the other piece of this is the Australian Govt has finally ceded SQ's long standing wishes to allow them to fly SYD - US?
Then UA's *A partner can pick up the HVFs since the new UA doesn't care about them. This then allows the "new" UA to focus on W fares so 1Ks can GPU to BF.
Then UA's *A partner can pick up the HVFs since the new UA doesn't care about them. This then allows the "new" UA to focus on W fares so 1Ks can GPU to BF.
Aug 15, 2013, 12:22 pm
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Re: NH 787 Y in 2-4-2 config: Not for long.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...omy-class-club
9-abreast was nice on the 747s for a couple of years, too.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...omy-class-club
9-abreast was nice on the 747s for a couple of years, too.
I noticed that MH announced AVOD on their 737-800's in Feb 2012.
http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2012...entertainment/
Seatguru still says that MH 737-800's have no AVOD. Will it happen by Aug 2014? I'm looking at MH's Darwin-Kuala Lumpur route, but detest the idea of a terrible 737-800.
From post #174: Questioning whether a 777 can get from California to SYD non-stop.
Technical stops in Honolulu and Nadi, Fiji.
However, my first SQ 747 flight from SFO to HKG in 1980 had to stop for refueling at HNL.
And of course, my first Pan Am 707 flight from ORD to TPE in 1968 had how many stops? ANC and where else?
From post #215:
Perhaps the other piece of this is the Australian Govt has finally ceded SQ's long standing wishes to allow them to fly SYD - US?
What would that do to the Circle Pacific Fare agreements of UA + QF and NZ + SQ?
I noticed that SQ's webpage on Asia Passes has been dormant for a while. I've been hoping for a Western Pacific Rim Pass to emerge one of these days.
Last edited by Long Zhiren; Aug 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Aug 15, 2013, 12:31 pm
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All I know (especially with the O&G boom and mining), the traffic to OZ from the US is a significant amount of J class buyers, because I see them (some on the non-stops, some via SIN/JKT) and that is just one industry.
If UA wants to claim leisure travel, utilization, fine....they can think/feel whatever makes them feel good in their own mind, and who knows....maybe it is leisure travel for them....but its not for others. Why do you think SQ has been trying to penetrate the OZ to US market? To get the leisure travelers? I think not.....
If UA wants to claim leisure travel, utilization, fine....they can think/feel whatever makes them feel good in their own mind, and who knows....maybe it is leisure travel for them....but its not for others. Why do you think SQ has been trying to penetrate the OZ to US market? To get the leisure travelers? I think not.....
And the sCO 777-200ER can take more cargo at the LAX-SYD stage length than the sUA 747-400 per Boeing's public numbers.
Enough of the AC 777 comparions; AC operates 777-200LRs which are vastly more capable than sCO's 777-200ER.
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Aug 15, 2013, 12:35 pm
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Hmmmm. At this point, for July 2014, it is still 747s for both LAX-SYD and SFO-SYD. And, surprise, there are saver Awards for F!
Aug 15, 2013, 1:32 pm
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I'm a bit skeptical that there's legions of premium cabin business travellers extending their US-OZ travel times by 14h+ each way to connect via NRT/HKG/ICN and SIN on SQ. Can you share any evidence of a significant volume of paid premium cabin travelers routing this way? Not anecdotes of "one time I saw a guy in a lounge"...
Are you talking about two completely different 3D Aero blade packages, since sUA 777s are PW powered not GE?
And the sCO 777-200ER can take more cargo at the LAX-SYD stage length than the sUA 747-400 per Boeing's public numbers.
Enough of the AC 777 comparions; AC operates 777-200LRs which are vastly more capable than sCO's 777-200ER.
Are you talking about two completely different 3D Aero blade packages, since sUA 777s are PW powered not GE?
And the sCO 777-200ER can take more cargo at the LAX-SYD stage length than the sUA 747-400 per Boeing's public numbers.
Enough of the AC 777 comparions; AC operates 777-200LRs which are vastly more capable than sCO's 777-200ER.
On the routing via Asia...again...you are missing what I am saying.....If you are doing work in Asia as well as OZ.....the CPACS are the way to go on OW....a DCIR22 or DCIR26 is great.....AND I have also seen some people do this even if they don't have work in Asia or have multiple CPAC's going at the same time....I am just giving examples of it and not saying that they are doing this because of this or that.....Also, you are confusing the HKG-SIN equipment issue with the OZ issue.....I have seen the same people on my (I will get more specific NON-CPAC's), when I am flying just say IAH-LAX-HKG-SIN compared to when I use to live on UA as a GS person. These are the lounge people I am talking about. Totally separate issue from the OZ issue.
The OZ issue with UA going to 2-cabin I could care less. Again, as I mentioned before, I have no dog in this fight. I take my BIZ seat on QF (once got op-upped to F) to OZ and I am a happy camper. Same with my flights to SIN via HKG on CX or as others....on SQ for that.....
Again...to re-iterate...I was on of those pax that flew UA on full fare J while banking on the upgrade to F flying: SFO/LAX (back in the day)- SIN via HKG. If it wasn't there, then I flew another carrier because their J seat/service is better than UA....period....I suspect, (and I look to be accurate), that people flying to OZ are the same way as I was going to SIN....
Now, today...it just so happens I do have a need to fly to OZ and have been doing DCIR22s and 26's. You can go over to OW forum and see my post around them from awhile back.
Aug 15, 2013, 4:28 pm
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Now I'm hearing three class sUA 777.
Aug 15, 2013, 4:42 pm
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Aug 15, 2013, 4:42 pm
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Numbers: 4 v 2
4 v 2
Huh?
When flying over the Pacific I like having 4 engines as opposed to only having 2.
Last week 863 returned to SFO because there was a vibration in one of the engines - with three engines running normally I would have slept right through the circling, fuel dumping and return to SFO. On only a single engine I would have been bolt upright in a cold sweat.
Since I mentioned sleeping........my dream is the new UAL will one day update its wide body fleet to include 747-800 to replace the 747-400.
747-100 were replaced by 747-200, 747-200 were replaced by 747-300 and 747-300 were replaced by 747-400 it is only logical to update the 747-400 with the 747-800
Huh?
When flying over the Pacific I like having 4 engines as opposed to only having 2.
Last week 863 returned to SFO because there was a vibration in one of the engines - with three engines running normally I would have slept right through the circling, fuel dumping and return to SFO. On only a single engine I would have been bolt upright in a cold sweat.
Since I mentioned sleeping........my dream is the new UAL will one day update its wide body fleet to include 747-800 to replace the 747-400.
747-100 were replaced by 747-200, 747-200 were replaced by 747-300 and 747-300 were replaced by 747-400 it is only logical to update the 747-400 with the 747-800
Aug 15, 2013, 4:57 pm
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4 v 2
Huh?
When flying over the Pacific I like having 4 engines as opposed to only having 2.
Last week 863 returned to SFO because there was a vibration in one of the engines - with three engines running normally I would have slept right through the circling, fuel dumping and return to SFO. On only a single engine I would have been bolt upright in a cold sweat.
Since I mentioned sleeping........my dream is the new UAL will one day update its wide body fleet to include 747-800 to replace the 747-400.
747-100 were replaced by 747-200, 747-200 were replaced by 747-300 and 747-300 were replaced by 747-400 it is only logical to update the 747-400 with the 747-800
Huh?
When flying over the Pacific I like having 4 engines as opposed to only having 2.
Last week 863 returned to SFO because there was a vibration in one of the engines - with three engines running normally I would have slept right through the circling, fuel dumping and return to SFO. On only a single engine I would have been bolt upright in a cold sweat.
Since I mentioned sleeping........my dream is the new UAL will one day update its wide body fleet to include 747-800 to replace the 747-400.
747-100 were replaced by 747-200, 747-200 were replaced by 747-300 and 747-300 were replaced by 747-400 it is only logical to update the 747-400 with the 747-800
Aug 15, 2013, 5:28 pm
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