Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 am
Last edit by: Bitterroot
Updates to Wiki as of 20 January 2014
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
[Confirmed] SYD going UA 3 Cabin 777 in 2014 [and other 747 route changes]
Aug 14, 2013, 9:41 am
#121
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That's it right there. The simple reason I make GS each year is multiple JFK-SYD in D/C fares ranging from $10-$15k a pop, so that I can upgrade to F. If UA does not have an F product to offer, there is not a snowball's chance in hell I pay a cent more than a Z fare ($6,000), and, if I can't upgrade, why would I take UA's Z fare over QF's I fare and have a better inflight experience on a single plane all the way from New York?
This is ludicrous. UA tried to move SYD to 777s once already, and was forced to back down by passenger outrage. Believe me, I am far from a vocal pax, but if they try this on the SYD routes, I will be clearly expressing myself...first with words, then with dollars.
This.
This is ludicrous. UA tried to move SYD to 777s once already, and was forced to back down by passenger outrage. Believe me, I am far from a vocal pax, but if they try this on the SYD routes, I will be clearly expressing myself...first with words, then with dollars.
This.
Aug 14, 2013, 9:47 am
#122
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Is LAX-based CO crew still domestic only?
Aug 14, 2013, 9:51 am
#123
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That's it right there. The simple reason I make GS each year is multiple JFK-SYD in D/C fares ranging from $10-$15k a pop, so that I can upgrade to F. If UA does not have an F product to offer, there is not a snowball's chance in hell I pay a cent more than a Z fare ($6,000), and, if I can't upgrade, why would I take UA's Z fare over QF's I fare and have a better inflight experience on a single plane all the way from New York?
This is ludicrous. UA tried to move SYD to 777s once already, and was forced to back down by passenger outrage. Believe me, I am far from a vocal pax, but if they try this on the SYD routes, I will be clearly expressing myself...first with words, then with dollars.
This.
This is ludicrous. UA tried to move SYD to 777s once already, and was forced to back down by passenger outrage. Believe me, I am far from a vocal pax, but if they try this on the SYD routes, I will be clearly expressing myself...first with words, then with dollars.
This.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:03 am
#125
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That's it right there. The simple reason I make GS each year is multiple JFK-SYD in D/C fares ranging from $10-$15k a pop, so that I can upgrade to F. If UA does not have an F product to offer, there is not a snowball's chance in hell I pay a cent more than a Z fare ($6,000), and, if I can't upgrade, why would I take UA's Z fare over QF's I fare and have a better inflight experience on a single plane all the way from New York?
This is ludicrous. UA tried to move SYD to 777s once already, and was forced to back down by passenger outrage. Believe me, I am far from a vocal pax, but if they try this on the SYD routes, I will be clearly expressing myself...first with words, then with dollars.
This is ludicrous. UA tried to move SYD to 777s once already, and was forced to back down by passenger outrage. Believe me, I am far from a vocal pax, but if they try this on the SYD routes, I will be clearly expressing myself...first with words, then with dollars.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:06 am
#126
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Not sure the GS reps are the best people to talk to. Would Martin Hand be the right exec to reach out to?
Last edited by iluv2fly; Aug 14, 2013 at 3:48 pm Reason: merge
Aug 14, 2013, 10:08 am
#127
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Can someone remind me how SIN-HKG on a 737 played out?
Aug 14, 2013, 10:09 am
#128
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bmr12
While I can relate to the sentiment, if this post-merger United is really going to become a two-class airline, then at some point First is going to go away.
But you can't expect that J revenue will remain the same with out F to upgrade to. If you are a two class airline with a crappy J product, people won't pay for it. Especially those that have consistently paid full fare for it over the years.
Originally Posted by bmr12
While I can relate to the sentiment, if this post-merger United is really going to become a two-class airline, then at some point First is going to go away.
But you can't expect that J revenue will remain the same with out F to upgrade to. If you are a two class airline with a crappy J product, people won't pay for it. Especially those that have consistently paid full fare for it over the years.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:16 am
#129
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Thank god. I was worried that this route would go 737NG, based on this recent thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...p-sfo-syd.html
#noplanetoosmall
They'll be piloted by Captain Wii Too Small & flying tons of SFO/LAX- VCV, in preparation to become that soda can you'll be drinking from on DL in 2014.
(Circla 2005 FT troll) BTW, why doesn't UA fly LAX - HKG with one of these spare 744s? (/ Circa 2005 FT troll)
C capacity of a sUA 744 is 52
F capacity of a sUA 744 is 12, with 10 usually occupied by NRSAs, and 2 occupied by folks who think they wandered into a crew lounge.
C capacity of a sCO 777 is 50
So yes, that's a net loss of 2 C seats + 12 F seats. How that yields out to realized revenue from UA's perspective is only known to those with the actual numbers.
For upgrades to C, it creates more contention, and the O changes that occurred earlier this year made award redemption into F hard to come by. And yes, it does take away the F option for those who are cash booking or upgrading from C.
This said, NRSAs are probably pissed big time about this change given how few rev / award pax (apparently) were making use of the cabin.
Best way to achieve FT Evangelist status. Think of it as MR'ing for FT Status. Sadly, Internet Brands will include a revenue component for 2014, requiring you pay a membership ala Airliners.net if you want to keep it.
The 777 has less space for "all that cargo in the belly" [sic], so there may be fewer pillows and milk for him and others.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...p-sfo-syd.html
#noplanetoosmall
(Circla 2005 FT troll) BTW, why doesn't UA fly LAX - HKG with one of these spare 744s? (/ Circa 2005 FT troll)
F capacity of a sUA 744 is 12, with 10 usually occupied by NRSAs, and 2 occupied by folks who think they wandered into a crew lounge.
C capacity of a sCO 777 is 50
So yes, that's a net loss of 2 C seats + 12 F seats. How that yields out to realized revenue from UA's perspective is only known to those with the actual numbers.
For upgrades to C, it creates more contention, and the O changes that occurred earlier this year made award redemption into F hard to come by. And yes, it does take away the F option for those who are cash booking or upgrading from C.
This said, NRSAs are probably pissed big time about this change given how few rev / award pax (apparently) were making use of the cabin.
The 777 has less space for "all that cargo in the belly" [sic], so there may be fewer pillows and milk for him and others.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:19 am
#130
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Sorry, typo, you can upgrade W with GPU. W fare r/t JFK-SYD is showing up as $1985.40.
It is less than $1000. And even if you don't "need" to play that game, why wouldn't you want to save $5000?
Yes, if I wanted to or needed to play that game. Luckily, most of the time, I don't (and suspect that holds true for other GS on the route). And thus why I can talk with dollars rather than being captive to UA.
And, as pointed out below, it's nowhere near $1,000 for an upgradeable coach fare.
And, as pointed out below, it's nowhere near $1,000 for an upgradeable coach fare.
Last edited by iluv2fly; Aug 14, 2013 at 3:49 pm Reason: merge
Aug 14, 2013, 10:21 am
#131
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I mean, I once flew PDX-SIN $510 RT. soon after 9/11.
One anecdote does not an argument make.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:23 am
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Aug 14, 2013, 10:32 am
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Aug 14, 2013, 10:34 am
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You're missing the point - it's $6K, not $10K - he only pays $10K if he can get into GF. So it's $2K for a chance to be in C, vs. $6K to be guaranteed in it.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:34 am
#135
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United does not have J class for people to pay $2k and upgrade to it. They have it (in theory) for people that are actually willing to pay for it. The problem is that the current J product isn't a premium product and thus isn't worth paying for.