Dec 30, 2014, 12:26 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Until 18 Oct 2018, upgrade space for RPU/GPUs was "R" ("PN" for GS), starting 19 Oct 2018 "R" has been replaced by "PZ"
Changes to UA's Fare Classes (19-20 October 2018)
"R" upgrade / fare class is missing! (replaced by PZ)
Changes to UA's Fare Classes (19-20 October 2018)
"R" upgrade / fare class is missing! (replaced by PZ)
Or you search AAA-DDD-BBB-CCC and R>0 but not the same number as BBB-CCC shows?
Why does AAA-BBB-CCC shows R=0 but the other routes R>0 (but not always the same amount)???
This is related to how fare class availability to created for multi-segment trips.
The fare class availability is displayed as the minimum of each same fare class inventory of all the segments. So if looking for a T fare, all the segments need to have T fare inventory. If any one is T=0, then the multi-segment results is 0 or whatever the minimum inventory is.
This is true for R --- but the good news is upgrades will clear based on individual segments (except in the case of Direct flights).
So in the above case, regardless of routing the BBB-CCC segment can clear on application of certs or miles.
The general recommendation is to search for the critical upgradeable segments individually -- note the R availability. Then book the desired multi-segment trip and apply the upgrade.
In the slim chance the R space disappears in the meantime, you can make use of the 24 hour free cancellation window to start-over.
R / PZ Avail changes depending on how you search flights
Feb 15, 2013, 2:10 pm
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But what about this whole thing I have been reading about. R-avail opens up, and they dont clear the waitlist, if you apply a new certificate, you can get it.
I have read that you have to call and cancel your upgrade then reapply. But I have learned the hard way, if you are upgraded on one leg it is not easy to cancel, there has to be seats still available in economy in the fare class you originally purchased.
Anyone have experience with this?
I have read that you have to call and cancel your upgrade then reapply. But I have learned the hard way, if you are upgraded on one leg it is not easy to cancel, there has to be seats still available in economy in the fare class you originally purchased.
Anyone have experience with this?
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Feb 15, 2013, 2:19 pm
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I've seen this often when the transpac/transatl segment "trumps" the other segments, but not the other way around. For example,
If LAX --> SEA is R3 and SEA --> NRT is R0; then the search for LAX --> SEA --> NRT will show R0.
However, if LAX --> SEA is R0 and SEA --> NRT is R3, it will show just that and allow you to upgrade the transpac segment and waitlist the other domestic segment.
If LAX --> SEA is R3 and SEA --> NRT is R0; then the search for LAX --> SEA --> NRT will show R0.
However, if LAX --> SEA is R0 and SEA --> NRT is R3, it will show just that and allow you to upgrade the transpac segment and waitlist the other domestic segment.
Feb 15, 2013, 2:23 pm
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May 29, 2013, 5:17 pm
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I'm lookign at SFO-NRT-SIN. On Expert Flyer the SFO-NRT segment on UA 837 will only show R space if I connect with ANA flight. If I force connection NRT-SIN on UA 7 then R space becomes not available, not even for the UA 837 SFO-NRT segment.
Is the above correct?
I'm debating wether or not to just go online and book UA 837 -> UA 7 and apply GWU and hope for the best
Is the above correct?
I'm debating wether or not to just go online and book UA 837 -> UA 7 and apply GWU and hope for the best
May 29, 2013, 5:54 pm
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I'm lookign at SFO-NRT-SIN. On Expert Flyer the SFO-NRT segment on UA 837 will only show R space if I connect with ANA flight. If I force connection NRT-SIN on UA 7 then R space becomes not available, not even for the UA 837 SFO-NRT segment.
Is the above correct?
I'm debating wether or not to just go online and book UA 837 -> UA 7 and apply GWU and hope for the best
Is the above correct?
I'm debating wether or not to just go online and book UA 837 -> UA 7 and apply GWU and hope for the best
What happens when you use EF and search SFO-NRT only, and then NRT-SIN only. That is the indicator of what you can expect to happen.
May 29, 2013, 6:40 pm
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May 30, 2013, 5:05 am
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Here's some evidence of this craziness. Same flight (UA 116), different R/RN availability. I've been on hold for 1 hour with the 1K line and they can't figure it out. On their end, they don't see any R/RN availability! Craziness.
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May 30, 2013, 5:40 am
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This is unbelievable. Can anyone explain this? I understand about a combined itinerary showing R availability as the minimum R availability among all of the segments. That makes sense, and has workarounds as posters have mentioned. But this case is entirely different. I wonder what ExpertFlyer showed for this segment? (It was in the past, so we can't check.)
can you explain why you believe this is different from the standard display issue??Your example appears to be a very standard case. The connecting domestic flights likely had for the first case R=0 and in the second R>=4. The HKG-EWR flight had R>=4 and a GPU /miles would have cleared on application in either case. As long as the first case as not a direct flight (also UA116) this is the normal display issue.
May 30, 2013, 7:41 am
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can you explain why you believe this is different from the standard display issue??Your example appears to be a very standard case. The connecting domestic flights likely had for the first case R=0 and in the second R>=4. The HKG-EWR flight had R>=4 and a GPU /miles would have cleared on application in either case. As long as the first case as not a direct flight (also UA116) this is the normal display issue.
May 30, 2013, 8:22 am
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This makes the underlying assumption that it's a smart, intuitive, natural thing to apply married segments logic to upgrade space, which I'd say most would disagree with
May 30, 2013, 8:27 am
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