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Old Apr 16, 2015, 1:56 pm
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From SAT Lawyer's First Post:

Please also see: http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/320/Un..._First_&_Biz)/ and http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...747-400_B.php]

What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old Aug 28, 2015, 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by rxziebel
Quote from drvannostren:
"I tried searching for the price, could you even ballpark the price range? I have a real problem paying like $59USD (when the CAD is so brutal) for IAH-YVR so I can only assume NRT-SFO it would start at $100USD which kinda ruins the overall price for me."


To answer the price question, on the 9/8 NRT-SFO 747, E+ is $199 for middle and $223 for aisle/window. Not a cheap option.
Thanks for the answer, that's even worse than I thought! But it def helps to know in advance.
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Just managed to switch award from Asiana business class - ORD-ICN OZ235 on the old biz class, to UA 835 Global First ORD-PVG, for no extra miles b/c final PVG-BKK flight is 2-class only (It was 2-class only from ICN-BKK on my earlier rez anyway). I realize it's UA GF - I've flown that gray plastic experience before, but I got the avgeek "holy grail" seat 1A on the 744. I'm calling it a win.

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Old Sep 3, 2015, 10:20 pm
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Flying HKG-SF0 on 747 in October. I have no choice except for E+.. (Killer Fare Booked in K) and not willing to upgrade. So with that said, I currently have 20A Reserved..What seat would you think is the best? I normally perfer a Window. Any suggestions? Thanks and Safe Travels..

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Old Sep 9, 2015, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
So with that said, I currently have 20A Reserved..What seat would you think is the best? I normally prefer a Window. Any suggestions? Thanks and Safe Travels..
I too like windows - you aisle guys, you're welcome

That said, how tall and wide are you? That makes a lot of difference in seat selection @:-)
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Old Sep 9, 2015, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by EmailKid
I too like windows - you aisle guys, you're welcome

That said, how tall and wide are you? That makes a lot of difference in seat selection @:-)
Thanks. 6 Feet and no issue with my width
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Old Sep 9, 2015, 10:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
I currently have 20A Reserved..What seat would you think is the best? I normally perfer a Window.
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Thanks. 6 Feet and no issue with my width
That should be OK.

I like exit rows, as I'm willing to sacrifice narrow seats for extra legroom.

But at 6 foot, E+ will almost certainly be OK, and if you are lucky enough to have isle seat empty, that is golden. In exit row, that pretty much NEVER happens Ask me how I know ....

IIRC, one of exit rows on 747 has no window (Seatguru or Seatexpert is your friend), which is a bummer, plus the exit row slide gets in the way, but you do get extra room, even if people tend to mill around there waiting for the restroom.

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Old Sep 11, 2015, 3:24 pm
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I'm on a D fare, but I doubt my upgrade will clear FRA-SFO; I'm only a 1K.

So, for quiet and ease of sleeping on a day flight:
6D/G (supposedly longer beds [I'm 6'3"] but they back up to the galley with lots of people walking back and forth)
-- or --
15K (supposedly 4 inches shorter, but on upper deck)
What say ye?
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Old Sep 11, 2015, 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsac
I'm on a D fare, but I doubt my upgrade will clear FRA-SFO; I'm only a 1K.

So, for quiet and ease of sleeping on a day flight:
6D/G (supposedly longer beds [I'm 6'3"] but they back up to the galley with lots of people walking back and forth)
-- or --
15K (supposedly 4 inches shorter, but on upper deck)
What say ye?
UPPER DECK!!! No doubt at all.
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Old Sep 11, 2015, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsac
So, for quiet and ease of sleeping on a day flight:
6D/G (supposedly longer beds [I'm 6'3"] but they back up to the galley with lots of people walking back and forth)
-- or --
15K (supposedly 4 inches shorter, but on upper deck)
What say ye?
Never done a TATL on 747, but my experience on TPAC is that shades are drawn on UD, while you'll always find at least one person who wants to look out the window down below

Ya, ya, daylight flight, but still ....
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Old Sep 11, 2015, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsac
What say ye?
I think it depends on how important the extra seat length is to you. Can you sleep with legs bent?

Otherwise, 15K is a great seat.
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Old Sep 11, 2015, 9:48 pm
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I think it depends on how important the extra seat length is to you. Can you sleep with legs bent?

Otherwise, 15K is a great seat.
If he's 6'3", he will not need to bend his legs much in the upper deck.

it is no contest. 2-2 private cabin versus 2-4-2 sardine can downstairs. Take the UD all day, every day, every time.
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Old Sep 11, 2015, 11:35 pm
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Yep. 15K all the way.

Another advantage of the window seat there is having some extra side space to stretch out into.
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by harryhood
If he's 6'3", he will not need to bend his legs much in the upper deck.
That's what I was thinking @:-)

I'm almost 6"2' if I remember not to slouch, and don't recall EVER having problems. Booked UD to HKG over Thanksgiving

Reliability of 747 on UA, well that's another story
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by EmailKid
That should be OK.

I like exit rows, as I'm willing to sacrifice narrow seats for extra legroom.

But at 6 foot, E+ will almost certainly be OK, and if you are lucky enough to have isle seat empty, that is golden. In exit row, that pretty much NEVER happens Ask me how I know ....

IIRC, one of exit rows on 747 has no window (Seatguru or Seatexpert is your friend), which is a bummer, plus the exit row slide gets in the way, but you do get extra room, even if people tend to mill around there waiting for the restroom.

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So 20A it will be.. Thanks EmailKid for the advice. Safe Travels..
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 9:41 pm
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Hi,

Am travelling from ICN-SFO on United,10.30 hrs flight with my 2.3 year old toddler..and E fare cant upgrade..Should I go with seats 58-60 for better seat with toddler or around 50 so that toddler can watch video in case he gets cranky? I want a seat which could distract my toddler and thought united had separate tv for each seat now realized that's not there....

so which would you recommend? Also can I remove the seat handle in between so that my toddler can sleep stretched btwn me and his seat?

Thanks a lot in advance
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