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Please also see: http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/320/Un..._First_&_Biz)/ and http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...747-400_B.php]

What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old May 26, 2015, 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
I have never seen the FAs sit in the jump seat of the middle upper deck and chat during flight. They have always been hanging out in the galley area.
Agreed.

On some aircraft, you can't get out of 14K due to the emergency slide.
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
I can't advise on the "wiggle out" as I just simply step over the person reclined in the aisle seat (I have long legs ^)

I have never seen the FAs sit in the jump seat of the middle upper deck and chat during flight. They have always been hanging out in the galley area.

In my experience, most of the disturbance issues in the upper deck come from the lav/cockpit area. Lav doors, lights, security fence being deployed/removed for cockpit access, etc.
Agreed on all points....I simply step over (and I have short legs). It would be far more embarrassing trying to wiggle out from around the back. That would not be a pretty sight to watch

I've never seen the FA use the jumpseats in flight.

I use earplugs and eyeshades so noise & light doesn't bother me much. The most bothersome part about the UD to me is the bouncing floor whenever somebody walks by.
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Old May 26, 2015, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Agreed.
Yup.

Originally Posted by Kacee
On some aircraft, you can't get out of 14K due to the emergency slide.
IIRC a couple of 747s were originally intended for NW, so there may be some difference.

So far I've wiggled out of 15K (and 14A) on all my flights And I also have long legs, but prefer to not risk disturbing my neighbour @:-)

Quite a few posts about the "scissorkick" a few pages back :-:
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Old May 26, 2015, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by TrinaLC
I have the option of selecting 14A or 13K. Last time I flew I had 14K and was able to do the "wiggle out" to exit the seat without disturbing the person on the aisle seat.

14 A though I believe has FA jumpseat. Assuming no one is sitting in the j/s, can you wiggle out behind 14 A like 14K?

Also - I'm a bit concerned that FA will sit in those and "chat" during their down periods - if that is the case I'd pick 13K.

Any advice on either of these two questions would be most welcome!
I always try to get 14A if it's available. I am a wiggler. I'm not that large in either height or width so it's not a problem for me. In fact it's easier for me to get out behind the seat than it is to climb over 14B. I don't think height should play a big part in being able to use the side exit, but width will.

I've never had a FA sit in the jump seat during flight to sit and chat. The cabin is generally dark so it's easier for them to stay in the galley.

Also, I don't think you can get out of 14K the same way. Perhaps on another airline?
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Originally Posted by sb3
Also, I don't think you can get out of 14K the same way. Perhaps on another airline?
15K @:-)

Other airlines will most likely have different layouts
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Old May 26, 2015, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by TVN
Hi, I am flying from SFO to ICN on United. Is there power for Economy Plus? Also, I have the choice of Row 25 and Row 49 (for four travelers). I am reading and it looks like 25 is the best. However, it is the row right in front of the bathroom. Do you know if there will be a smell?
Do not pick row 49 center section (D/E/F/G). There is a very bright TV screen right in front of your face. It's also not really E+. It is marked that way... but... the bulkhead impedes virtually all legroom.

So, row 25 it is!

Noise from lavs shouldn't be too bad the entry is actually one row behind you at the passthru. I've never noticed a smell from the lavs, even at the end of long flights (LAX-SYD).
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Old May 26, 2015, 9:28 pm
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I don't see how anyone could tolerate that bright screen, even with eyeshades
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Originally Posted by EmailKid
I don't see how anyone could tolerate that bright screen, even with eyeshades
Torture seat. Now that the 744s all have streaming video, perhaps they should just remove the screens.
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Old May 29, 2015, 6:56 am
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Anyone have a picture of the torture screen? I'm having trouble visualizing ...
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Originally Posted by 747FC
If your priority is to be away from the window, your choice is clear. If you would like to sit next to your spouse, your choice is clear.

The 4th row is not the best one in this cabin due to galley proximity, but row three is no great shakes either.

If I were to chose, I would go in row four in a day flight, and row three in a night flight.
Made our last minutes selection of 3A & 3C while 3H was left vacant ;-)

Can't hold hand but was able to have eye contacts for all 13-hour during the flight and enjoy it :-) :-)
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Old May 29, 2015, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by TrinaLC
Anyone have a picture of the torture screen? I'm having trouble visualizing ...
It's a very large LCD screen the width of almost all four seats, and when most all windows are closed during the flight it is very BRIGHT.
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Originally Posted by lax2010
Made our last minutes selection of 3A & 3C while 3H was left vacant ;-)

Can't hold hand but was able to have eye contacts for all 13-hour during the flight and enjoy it :-) :-)
Let us know how it turns out

Our next 1AK experience is T-60 ^
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We're on a 747 in both directions of our next trip.
Outbound, the choices are: Rows 13, 9, or 10

Which would you choose?
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Old Jun 1, 2015, 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by skycrab
We're on a 747 in both directions of our next trip.
Outbound, the choices are: Rows 13, 9, or 10

Which would you choose?
13 without a doubt.
Upper deck is better then lower deck...with possible exception of row 12.
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Originally Posted by lax2010
Made our last minutes selection of 3A & 3C while 3H was left vacant ;-)

Can't hold hand but was able to have eye contacts for all 13-hour during the flight and enjoy it :-) :-)
Just curious - would you have been able to hand holds if you'd gone with 3C & 3H? I'm facing the same option. I just booked those seats for ORD-PVG , but know I'm wondering if 3A/C would be better.
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