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Old Apr 16, 2015, 1:56 pm
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From SAT Lawyer's First Post:

Please also see: http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/320/Un..._First_&_Biz)/ and http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...747-400_B.php]

What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old Sep 12, 2015, 10:47 pm
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Originally Posted by niksim
Hi,

Am travelling from ICN-SFO on United,10.30 hrs flight with my 2.3 year old toddler..and E fare cant upgrade..Should I go with seats 58-60 for better seat with toddler or around 50 so that toddler can watch video in case he gets cranky? I want a seat which could distract my toddler and thought united had separate tv for each seat now realized that's not there....

so which would you recommend? Also can I remove the seat handle in between so that my toddler can sleep stretched btwn me and his seat?

Thanks a lot in advance
The 747's all have streaming entertainment
Buy a tablet and download the free UA app before the flight
The movies shown on the main screen will NOT be entertaining to a toddler

58-60 on the sides does give the extra space between you and the plane wall
You also frequently get no choice on food

The arm rest does move upwards and should be out of the way enough for a small child to sleep
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Old Sep 13, 2015, 2:17 am
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Thanks for the tip..will defnly take my tab!!..just found 58-60 is booked..46 and 47 are available..How abt them? They are 3 seaters though..are they better than the rest 46+? Also i read somewhere that in 46 and 47 the arm rest is fixed...is that the case?

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Old Sep 13, 2015, 3:43 am
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
Yep. 15K all the way.

Another advantage of the window seat there is having some extra side space to stretch out into.
+1

I've been lucky enough to get 15K many times this year and a few more upcoming, and while I do love the seat, the people who claim they can escape out the back without stepping over 15J must be REALLY skinny, because I sure can't
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Old Sep 13, 2015, 8:06 am
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Originally Posted by love_to_travel
the people who claim they can escape out the back without stepping over 15J must be REALLY skinny, because I sure can't
Not that skinny, but do admit that it's getting harder as I get older
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Old Sep 13, 2015, 12:35 pm
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I had been a fan of 15A/K for a long time until I discovered 13A.

I actually prefer 13A for a number of reasons:

1. It is actually private. because of the location, 14J/K cannot see passengers in 13A/B and vice versa.

2. You get served first. I have experienced more time that drink and meal services start from row 12 instead of 16.

3. closer to the bathroom without being that close to the bathroom and noise.

4. sometimes FA use the area between row 14 and 15 as staging area of drink and meal services and it can get noisy.

6. No one is behind row 13A/B, so even more private than row 15. Sometimes passengers use the area behind between row 14 and 15 to stretch.
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Old Sep 13, 2015, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by niksim
Thanks for the tip..will defnly take my tab!!..just found 58-60 is booked..46 and 47 are available..How abt them? They are 3 seaters though..are they better than the rest 46+? Also i read somewhere that in 46 and 47 the arm rest is fixed...is that the case?
Any suggestions for the above? Need to block seats asap..pls do guide..In the map seats 46 and 47 seem to have better legroom and spacedue to the cafe in between ..or is it just like any other seat?
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Old Sep 14, 2015, 5:08 pm
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Thoughts on 12K?

I like the "in the corner" feel, like both seats in Row 1. But, is the noise from the lavs that palpable?

Right now I'm booked in 15K.
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Old Sep 14, 2015, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsac
Thoughts on 12K?

I like the "in the corner" feel, like both seats in Row 1. But, is the noise from the lavs that palpable?

Right now I'm booked in 15K.
not for me. It is not just the noise of the lavatory. On certain older 744, you need to consider the possible odor as well.

More disruptively for me, it is the noise and traffic when FA have to serve flight crew meal and when the fight crew have to take bathroom break, the setting up the barricade and having FA guarding the barricade are creating enough disruption for me to avoid sitting in row 12.
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Old Sep 14, 2015, 7:47 pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsac
Thoughts on 12K?

I like the "in the corner" feel, like both seats in Row 1. But, is the noise from the lavs that palpable?

Right now I'm booked in 15K.
There is no way I would trade 15K for anything in row 12. Lav and cockpit traffic.

I'm not a fan of row 13 either, but apparently reasonable minds can differ on that one
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Old Sep 25, 2015, 8:45 am
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Which one should I take?

8H, 9A or 10K.

Having a last minute business trip and no more upper deck seats left.

Only non-middle seats are those three seats indicated above.

8H backfacing to the bathroom but not sure how close is it.

BTW, I have not sat in the downstairs main deck business section for the past five years, so a little rusty with my memory.
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Old Sep 25, 2015, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
8H, 9A or 10K.
I had the dipleasure of sitting in 9A Sure, better last minute u/g than in the back ...

FAs didn't bother to close the curtain, so had a lovely view of coach
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Old Sep 25, 2015, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
Which one should I take?

8H, 9A or 10K.

Having a last minute business trip and no more upper deck seats left.

Only non-middle seats are those three seats indicated above.

8H backfacing to the bathroom but not sure how close is it.

BTW, I have not sat in the downstairs main deck business section for the past five years, so a little rusty with my memory.
Originally Posted by EmailKid
I had the dipleasure of sitting in 9A Sure, better last minute u/g than in the back ...

FAs didn't bother to close the curtain, so had a lovely view of coach
10K seems the least bad. Forward facing, sure, but at least (a) you have a window and (b) you are not facing the lavs or E+.
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Old Sep 25, 2015, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
Which one should I take?

8H, 9A or 10K.

Having a last minute business trip and no more upper deck seats left.

Only non-middle seats are those three seats indicated above.

8H backfacing to the bathroom but not sure how close is it.

BTW, I have not sat in the downstairs main deck business section for the past five years, so a little rusty with my memory.

I would agree with scnzzz, 10K is the lesser of the lower deck evils.

How does the load in GlobalFirst look? Any chance to move forward with instrument or buy-up...or op-up by a friendly GS agent?
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Old Sep 26, 2015, 3:24 pm
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Thanks for the suggestions! I did pick 10K and hope someone on the upper deck gets upgraded to GF. Mine is already a Y to C upgrade so I don't see me getting a double.
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Old Oct 7, 2015, 7:59 pm
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So I find myself in seat 1A but with all the comments from everyone about how special sitting in the upper deck is, I was considering trying to figure out how to downgrade myself to an upper deck seat in C.

I'm guessing this will be my last chance to fly on a 747 and I've never sat in the upper deck.

It's a short SFO-HNL flight so it's not like I'll be regretting the lack of storage space or going crazy for long because of my neighbor. And meal service is likely to be identical for F and C.

Thoughts?
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