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Please also see: http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/320/Un..._First_&_Biz)/ and http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...747-400_B.php]

What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 11:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Just quieter . . . .
OK, you got me there Not that 744 is all that noisy on UD @:-)
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Pros/Cons of 12J/K on PVG-SFO

Any Pros/Cons of 12J/K on PVG-SFO?
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Old Feb 25, 2016, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by mmack
Yes, 13 A & B are our favorite seats. We like sitting facing the rear. There's no direct eye contact with the opposite row, and I've never had a issue with the lavs.

Actually, its wonderful having TWO lavatories available for the handful of passengers on the upper deck. I will really miss that space when the 747s depart
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+1

IMO rows 14, 15, and 16 (A/B side only) are the best choices on the UD.
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I'd stick with row 15. You'll be a lot closer to the lights/smells of the lavs in row 13.
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Well, it did make a difference the two or three times they made an effort. Out of dozens of trips .....



IMHO, it does not make much difference, though you may find folks disagree. As far as I can tell, the seats are same, and there really isn't much noise.

I've flown in most rows of UD, and will take any of them until these birds are retired.
Appreciate all of the feedback! Thank you! ^
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Old Feb 25, 2016, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by cagcag
Any Pros/Cons of 12J/K on PVG-SFO?
First off, 12JK beat anything on the lower deck IMO, so if that's all that's left on the UD, there's no more discussion

I see two cons.
1. Forward facing, so your head would be below your feet if you completely flatten the bed (due to A/C pitch in flight). For a night flight, this may disrupt your sleep.
2. You'll be the last ones off the UD (unless you make a sprint for it)...combined with getting down the stairs, you'll be among the last J pax off the plane arriving at SFO. Depending on where the flight lands among the bank of other incoming Asia heavies, you may have a bit of a wait at passport control.
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Old Feb 25, 2016, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by cagcag
Any Pros/Cons of 12J/K on PVG-SFO?
I don't care what the route is, I wouldn't sit in row 12.

Those are the worst seats on the UD. They are right next to the lav and the retractable wire screen between the cabin and the cockpit. There are no "pros" to those seats.

Originally Posted by scnzzz
First off, 12JK beat anything on the lower deck IMO, so if that's all that's left on the UD, there's no more discussion
disagree
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Originally Posted by Ronlap
Thoughts on this? Are 33 or 45 okay for SFO-LHR or will I smell the lav and be bothered by the people hanging out for it? If I don't get one of these what are the recommendations for E+? Seatguru is pretty noncommittal.
Row 45 is Galley not Lav, so you don't have as much people congregation. You do get food carts parked there as they get ready for beverage/meal service, and the galley can be a bit loud as well. That said, I prefer it to Row 33, except for the length of time it takes to deboard.
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Originally Posted by Ronlap
Is there any legroom in row 19 with the bulkhead there?
Back in the days before becoming 1K, flew in Row 19 (middle section) SFO-SYD a couple of times. Ms BH (5'3") found the leg room OK; I (5' 8+") found it a bit cramped, but you could use the bulkhead itself as a foot rest. However, Upper Deck via GPU is far better.
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Originally Posted by Kacee
I don't care what the route is, I wouldn't sit in row 12.

Those are the worst seats on the UD. They are right next to the lav and the retractable wire screen between the cabin and the cockpit. There are no "pros" to those seats.



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That is of course your privilege. But I guess different things are important to different folks. Being next to the lavs has not been a problem for me in the past. I suppose it all depends on where the priorities are.

I do agree they are the worst seats on the UD. That still beats LD for me
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Quick question.

After doing a bit of research earlier in the week, I decided to take a domestic on the 744 as it looks like the 744 disappears from the SFO-ORD route in May. On Monday (2/22), I put together the following itinerary at a total cost of $765.00:

AUS-SFO (5:24pm flight in Y)
SFO-ORD (8:40am flight in J)
ORD-AUS (4:20pm flight in Y)

Today (2/25), I decided to book it and that same itinerary is now over $1100.00! It's all because of the 744 route where the price jumped from $378 to $780! I looked on alternate days and it seems like all the 744 flights are set at $700+. Can I expect this to change once again or has United deliberately set a unique price for this flight? No additional seats seem to have been sold since the 22nd.
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Originally Posted by Kacee
I don't care what the route is, I wouldn't sit in row 12.

Those are the worst seats on the UD. They are right next to the lav and the retractable wire screen between the cabin and the cockpit. There are no "pros" to those seats.
Originally Posted by scnzzz
That is of course your privilege. But I guess different things are important to different folks. Being next to the lavs has not been a problem for me in the past. I suppose it all depends on where the priorities are.

I do agree they are the worst seats on the UD. That still beats LD for me
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Old Feb 25, 2016, 11:37 pm
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Booked a flight in UD, PEK-SFO. This my second attempt in UD, last time I had to change dates, and there was no more room.

So far the UD shows as almost empty, so took the advice from this thread and selected 14A. We will see.

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Old Feb 26, 2016, 12:39 am
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Originally Posted by JaysonW
Quick question.

After doing a bit of research earlier in the week, I decided to take a domestic on the 744 as it looks like the 744 disappears from the SFO-ORD route in May. On Monday (2/22), I put together the following itinerary at a total cost of $765.00:

AUS-SFO (5:24pm flight in Y)
SFO-ORD (8:40am flight in J)
ORD-AUS (4:20pm flight in Y)

Today (2/25), I decided to book it and that same itinerary is now over $1100.00! It's all because of the 744 route where the price jumped from $378 to $780! I looked on alternate days and it seems like all the 744 flights are set at $700+. Can I expect this to change once again or has United deliberately set a unique price for this flight? No additional seats seem to have been sold since the 22nd.
Is that the only domestic 747 rt flight out of SFO?

If so I'll need to book one asap as well...
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Old Feb 26, 2016, 1:06 am
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Originally Posted by JaysonW
Quick question.

After doing a bit of research earlier in the week, I decided to take a domestic on the 744 as it looks like the 744 disappears from the SFO-ORD route in May. On Monday (2/22), I put together the following itinerary at a total cost of $765.00:

AUS-SFO (5:24pm flight in Y)
SFO-ORD (8:40am flight in J)
ORD-AUS (4:20pm flight in Y)

Today (2/25), I decided to book it and that same itinerary is now over $1100.00! It's all because of the 744 route where the price jumped from $378 to $780! I looked on alternate days and it seems like all the 744 flights are set at $700+. Can I expect this to change once again or has United deliberately set a unique price for this flight? No additional seats seem to have been sold since the 22nd.
There have been hiccups along the way, but yes United does intend to set a special price just for the 744 on this route. I'm guessing VAP21UPN at $742 o/w a/i is the final fare (give or take a few dozen bucks) you'll see for that flight.

There's a 744 doing SFO-ORD on 26-Mar as UA 268 that they forgot about - you can route that for $402. There are a few more flights like that where you can route the ~$400 P fares if you know how to look, but most of it will be $742 now.

Originally Posted by sybloc
Is that the only domestic 747 rt flight out of SFO?

If so I'll need to book one asap as well...
mduell probably has the search to definitively confirm, but I believe this is the only UA domestic route with a 744 on the schedule.
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Old Feb 26, 2016, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by findark
There have been hiccups along the way, but yes United does intend to set a special price just for the 744 on this route. I'm guessing VAP21UPN at $742 o/w a/i is the final fare (give or take a few dozen bucks) you'll see for that flight.
Well that's a shame, I can't justify paying a premium for a sentimental trip. I'll keep checking for drops, but I'm priced out at $700+. As a consolation to myself, I did fly the 748 UD from FRA to IAD in 2013 and that was a great experience.
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Old Feb 26, 2016, 8:35 am
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I did manage to snag a $565 P fare last week, SFO-ORD-IAD in April with the SFO-ORD segment being on the 747. This could very well be my last UA 747 flight so I figured why not spend the extra money and experience it one last time on the UP.
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