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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
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That's India, as are all AZ with a Z in the middle. The white patient leaflets were not changed for the relatively low number of India AZ. The product is identical, I will spare you another go with my sourdough analogy, but you should be ok, I can't see this as anything but a short term problem.
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Originally Posted by 13901
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I guess it's because the, shall we say, "originator" of the contact was diagnosed 3 days ago?
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My kid was notified to isolate today, contact was 6 days ago, so 4 days of isolation. First time despite 12 months of in person work. Several other people at work notified as well.
Seems unlikely to stop spread if you get it that late. |
The NHS Covid app is pinging everywhere this week it seems!
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Originally Posted by Schwann
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The NHS Covid app is pinging everywhere this week it seems!
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Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
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it doesn't matter anymore. barely any deaths barely any hospitalisations its fine, i don't think the government even cares about case numbers anymore, they need to stop publishing this.
Originally Posted by Silver Fox
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Yes. It is scaremongering at its finest.
I’m not sure joining a group of countries which consists of North Korea and Turkmenistan is advisable. Not least because it would presumably increase the number of countries restricting U.K. arrivals. |
Originally Posted by Kgmm77
(Post 33375245)
So, just to be clear, you’re advocating the U.K. stops publishing numbers to the Our World In Data tracker (a project funded by the U.K. Government, bypassing normal procurement channels, but that’s by the by…).
I’m not sure joining a group of countries which consists of North Korea and Turkmenistan is advisable. Not least because it would presumably increase the number of countries restricting U.K. arrivals. |
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33375286)
I don't want to speak for Silver Fox and Ahmetdouas, but if their point is that we ought to stop emphasizing numbers so much then, yes, I think they're right. It's not just a UK thing, I think most of Europe is in the same boat. Over in Italy, where as many know I've got friends and family, it's the same thing: SKY has a rolling ticker-tape with the number of vaccines, updated from the government website at least twice a day (and if you've ever worked with the Italian gov't you'll know that they consider 2015 stats as "up to date" so this is incredible). It's wrong, in my opinion, because it forces us to stare at the world through warped optics and it forces us to think that we should go for zero cases and zero deaths... which is not achievable.
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On the question of vaccine passports if you've had Covishield (the Indian-produced AZ/Vaxveria), it seems there's a bit of confusion - I hope this will resolve swiftly.
While Covishield doesn't yet have EMA authorisation, perhaps that will change if it is officially applied for. However, even if not, there are a couple of ways that this could work in practice. First: BBC News reports the DoH says they will show up identically in the app. If you received an AZ vaccination - and go to an EU country that accepts the NHS Covid Pass - your pass should show you received the Vaxzevria vaccine, the EU name for the AstraZeneca jab."All AstraZeneca vaccines given in the UK are the same product and appear on the NHS Covid Pass as Vaxzevria," the Department for Health says. In addition, some countries have explicitly approved Covishield directly: Seven EU countries have approved India's vaccines for arriving travellers, sources told the BBC. Covishield is now eligible for travel to Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Greece, Ireland and Spain. Iceland and Switzerland too have made the jab eligible for travel to the countries, sources said. Separately, Estonia has confirmed that it will recognise all the vaccines authorised by India for incoming travellers, sources said.
Originally Posted by kingstontoon
(Post 33374312)
I've posted elsewhere but seeking rather urgent help as I'm flying tomorrow. My first dose of AZ was one of the Indian manufactured ones. Am I likely to be denied boarding tomorrow flying to Poland or - worse - thrown into 10 days quarantine on arrival? Panic mode on!
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Originally Posted by fransknorge
(Post 33375293)
What you say will make sense once the disease is reduced, worldwide, to the equivalent of the 4 community coronavirus: a common cold. So once the entire world population is immunized (naturally or artifically). Until then the case counts is a useful metric to manage the pandemic that needs to be published on a daily basis.
Again, take Italy for example, and I use that country only because it's the one I know. Everyone - from the media to public officials to hospitals and healthcare at large - are ultra-focussed on Covid and I'd say it's largely for the right reasons. It wasn't long ago that there were army trucks bringing coffins out of Bergamo's crematorium. But right now, with vaccinations going the way they're going, cases going the way they're going, it's high time that the relentless focus (in my view largely driven by the media) started to relent. I'm not saying we should ignore it, but it ought to relent. Because, in the meantime, there are about 490 cancer deaths a day in the country (and the latest/most recent data is from 2016!!) and since Covid started it's been next to impossible to run your normal prevention test campaigns. That's going to cost lives. Here in the UK, where I'd argue that the NHS is in a much worse situation that the SSN in (at least Northern) Italy, I've got a friend who's been diagnosed with a non-aggressive uterus tumour. She needs surgery and so far it's taken her 3 months to get diagnosed and she's not even on a list to get to surgery. It's so bad that I'm trying to get her on my private insurance to see if things can be sped up. And that's because of Covid. |
What I say does not contradict what you wrote about other health issues. Counting cases is irrelevant to the problem you mention.
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Originally Posted by fransknorge
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What I say does not contradict what you wrote about other health issues. Counting cases is irrelevant to the problem you mention.
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Originally Posted by 13901
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Obsessing, though, is. And that's what we're doing in my opinion.
I totally agree with the latter sentiment (not pushed in the media so relentlessly), and I suspect that's where your thoughts lie too. I also believe the people wanting the former were just exasperated with the hourly news reports when they posted :) |
My personal opinion on tracking cases is that:
1- they should be tracked and made public (I am very pro being open with data and honestly very much appreciate HMG’s approach to data publishing) 2- case numbers should pay a part in the way forward, but emphasis should be shifted towards deaths, hospitalisations and those on ventilation The approach that stems from point 2 above only works if a country has the following: - strong vaccination coverage, and by this I mean with a high-ish threshold of at least 70%+ of adults fully vaccinated - adequate testing, keeping a test percentage relatively low (below 1%) Only then can we move fully away from being so dependent on case numbers. Singapore is on its way to being in that position and has already announced a shift of moving away from worrying about case numbers and instead focussing on outcomes. |
Everybody who mentions the Singapore example forget to add the condition: they will do this once they have reached a vaccine cover of 66% of the entire population.
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