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Originally Posted by wilsnunn
(Post 33375797)
I was on the tube on Wednesday this week, for only the second time this year. On the London Bridge - Stratford stretch of the Jubilee line, in my carriage there were only about 50% of people wearing masks in a carriage with no available seats but plenty of standing room, a small number of them were wearing sunflower lanyards but the vast majority weren't. An older gentleman asked one group of four girls (probably early to mid 20s) if they could please wear masks and they just replied with words to the effect of "Why should I? The virus won't get me and if you are worried then don't take the tube".
But yes, there will sadly always be people who do things out of belligerence rather than careful thought of the possible consequences to others. |
Originally Posted by NWIFlyer
(Post 33375826)
My experience of four trips within the last fortnight is that 95% were wearing masks - this was Liverpool Street to Gloucester Road, Gloucester Road to Ravenscourt Park, Hammersmith to Heathrow T5 (with a brief wait at Hatton Cross) and T5 to Shoreditch (so a bit of Overground as well). I also try to sit as far away as possible from anyone that doesn't wear a mask to minimise risk as much as I can, and off that very limited sample my impression is that there's much better compliance than late last year when large groups clearly had no intention of complying.
But yes, there will sadly always be people who do things out of belligerence rather than careful thought of the possible consequences to others. |
Daily data:
Cases 27,125 (15,810 last Friday) Deaths 27 (18) Patients admitted 304 (224 on the 21st) Patients in hospital 1,795 (1,485 on the 23rd) Patients in ventilation beds 300 (259 on the 24th) People vaccinated up to and including 1 July 2021: First dose: 45,013,503 Second dose: 33,241,265 The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 74.2% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 11.8%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 17.6 today. |
Originally Posted by DaveS
(Post 33375886)
The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 74.2% on the previous week...
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To add a little perspective:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c2e5f77e60.png All those cases eh....... |
Vaccinations have greatly weakened the link between infections and deaths but have not broken it: the average number of daily deaths is up by 140% in the past month and is continuing to climb as cases increase. Meanwhile, deaths in other countries are falling rapidly as their own vaccination programmes gather pace. At current trends, by the end of this month the UK will have not only the greatest number of new cases but possibly one of the greatest numbers of daily deaths too.
And yet we have people here just looking at the headline figure and saying there is nothing to worry about. You were saying that about the daily case figures just two months ago. |
And exactly the same thing one year, you can go back and found the same persons saying that this is over, we should open, etc ...
The correct thing to do is to be prudent, observe and quickly adjust if necessary. The lessons of the last summer are quickly not learnt, the same mistakes are made. The vaccines are a barrier, not a cure. They need to be universally distributed to a high level before we can start really breathing. |
Originally Posted by Schwann
(Post 33375758)
I say this with a straight face. I promise. But with the numbers of people isolating via app pings increasing, what was the outcome of the Michael Gove daily LFT trial? Will this be rolled out to everyone?
Not what one would expect!! :D Michael Gove and wife Sarah Vine to divorce |
Originally Posted by kingstontoon
(Post 33374312)
I've posted elsewhere but seeking rather urgent help as I'm flying tomorrow. My first dose of AZ was one of the Indian manufactured ones. Am I likely to be denied boarding tomorrow flying to Poland or - worse - thrown into 10 days quarantine on arrival? Panic mode on!
One of the first off the bus at arrivals despite being in the centre exit row and second in the queue for non-EU arrivals (boooo). Passed a printout from the NHS app to the agent plus my passport as well as showing her my phone screen. She had a few runs through my passport, seemingly amused by the number of random stamps in there, smiled at me, stamped me in and wished me good day. I was on the bus into the city within a few minutes of scheduled arrival time. So the whole Indian manufactured AZ thing is actually not an issue or I got lucky. I suspect most places accepting fully vaccinated Brits will just want to see a printout or the app and won't look at the batch numbers in detail, although of course YMMV. Happy days. Now for a week of beer and old trains before heading on to Spain for more beer! 😁 |
Originally Posted by fransknorge
(Post 33376160)
And exactly the same thing one year, you can go back and found the same persons saying that this is over, we should open, etc ...
The correct thing to do is to be prudent, observe and quickly adjust if necessary. The lessons of the last summer are quickly not learnt, the same mistakes are made. The vaccines are a barrier, not a cure. They need to be universally distributed to a high level before we can start really breathing. |
Originally Posted by Silver Fox
(Post 33376767)
I wouldn't be that selfish.
yet thats exactly what you are though by saying "screw the other countries behind" which incidentally usually do not have the same infrastructure or health care systems to manage mass outbreaks. most continental countries are not far behind but the poorest across the globe are as you well know. it sounds very much like those who were saying "i am going to mexico or the bahamas this winter to save those people working in tourism" last year by importing the disease. oh please. while i agree that there should not be a fixation on case numbers but rather in the UK we should pivot to the success the vaccine has been in breaking the link while still warning there is a consequence of long covid for some, but life should resume to a certain extent and i've obviously been no fan of how our govt manages travel for fully vaccinated visitors or citizens/residents--it is a mess of politics while the continent continues to do their best on vaccinating ahead of delta as best they can so until they are comfortable with the risk analysis we are isolated. angela was a bit of hope today in terms of sensibility. |
Originally Posted by Silver Fox
(Post 33376767)
Every country would kill for the vaccine rollout that the UK has shown and the subsequent effect on deaths and hospitalisations.
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It is not about the UK waiting for other countries to catch up, it is about waiting for everyone in the UK that wants to be vaccinated to actually be vaccinated. We are effectively moving back to the herd immunity strategy by removing restrictions so that young people get infected before they can be fully vaccinated. I can see the public health benefits in this approach, but while death is very very unlikely and hospitalisation very rare in young people, I'm not convinced the long term side effects are really 'nothing' in young people. I can't see an easy answer.
Also, I'm also still very angry at how the Government can impose some of the most draconian travel restrictions, deliver a very fast vaccine roll-out and still mess it all up because of political reasons about Boris's visit to India. |
Originally Posted by 8420PR
(Post 33376973)
It is not about the UK waiting for other countries to catch up, it is about waiting for everyone in the UK that wants to be vaccinated to actually be vaccinated. We are effectively moving back to the herd immunity strategy by removing restrictions so that young people get infected before they can be fully vaccinated. I can see the public health benefits in this approach, but while death is very very unlikely and hospitalisation very rare in young people, I'm not convinced the long term side effects are really 'nothing' in young people. I can't see an easy answer.
Also, I'm also still very angry at how the Government can impose some of the most draconian travel restrictions, deliver a very fast vaccine roll-out and still mess it all up because of political reasons about Boris's visit to India. aaaand i just got a NHS notice to self isolate for just 4 days. is it based on the ten day model? if i count back ten days i was only in two places in durham that i checked in to. not helpful considering i did my grocery shopping and errands all day. |
Originally Posted by VSLover
(Post 33376989)
aaaand i just got a NHS notice to self isolate for just 4 days. is it based on the ten day model? if i count back ten days i was only in two places in durham that i checked in to. not helpful considering i did my grocery shopping and errands all day. |
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