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Originally Posted by Misco60
(Post 33196527)
I can't wait for the borders to be open and for travel to return to normal, but I think governments across the world are right to be taking a cautious approach in the face of very serious new waves and possibly dangerous variants. It's by no means only the UK that is proceeding slowly.
I only wish the roadmap addressed international travel a bit - but that is my selfish perspective! |
Back on the subject of international travel, the BBC reported this:
MPs say 'vague and costly' plan jeopardises foreign travel restart The restart of international travel is in jeopardy with "vague and costly" proposals not enough to reboot the aviation and tourism sectors, MPs are warning. The Transport Select Committee says a report by the Government's Global Travel Taskforce gives "insufficient" detail to allow businesses and travellers to prepare for the safe resumption of holidays on 17 May. The committee says testing requirements could be "disproportionate to the risk" and may add £500 to the cost of a family of four visiting the "safest" parts of the globe where vaccine rollout is comparable to the UK. Conservative MP Huw Merriman, who chairs the committee, says: "The aviation and travel sectors were crying out for a functional report, setting out clear rules and offering certainty. This is not it." Figures from Test and Trace England released today show most positive rapid tests in secondary schools that could be checked by PCR were confirmed to be correct. People are advised to get a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test to confirm the result of a lateral flow test. Overall, 3,964 people have had their rapid test checked in this way so far, with 2,824 (71%) being confirmed as a correct detection. |
Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle
(Post 33196392)
The problem with a lot of the scientific reporting is that the negative branch of the science community have been given way too much airtime compared to the opposing groups, and so a lot of their 'predictions' have been taken as gospel, with far too little proper challenge. Best example being the famous '4,000 deaths a day' nonsense that was around last October. Current predictions of another wave this summer are equally nonsensical and should be being properly challenged. If we had an opposition with even an ounce of backbone I am sure they would be all over this.
The reality is that we are in a truly fantastic position as a result of the vaccine efforts and recent lockdowns, and that now is the time for a full, controlled opening of society, ceasing of excess government propoganda and a controlled reopening of borders with full testing in place. |
I have no idea where to even look up the rules for this so figure I'd ask the knowledgeable FT community.
Wife and daughter are dual UK/US citizens but, planning on settling back in the US July time. I am planning on going with them to the airport in case my wife has the "are you permitted to take this child out of the country" conversation. The question is, I am planning on visiting over Christmas so I can see my daughter and look after her while my wife works. I am not worried about the UK declaration as I believe that is covered however, as things stand, will I be admitted to the US or do I need to speak to the US Embassy for some sort of permission to travel? |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33196461)
OK, cards on the table: I am 95% certain - and rising - that vaccination alone gives a full answer. Of the 50,000 approx who died in the first quarter or 2021, almost all were unvaccinated or early into vaccination at the point of illness. Only a few hundred fatalities were 3 weeks past dose1, if that, and of course this second cohort would usually be the most at risk to Covid. So vaccines appear to work far better than the clinical trials suggested. So much so that if the data continues like this, I will be advocating for proof of vaccination as a condition of entry to the UK, or if not provided, a mandatory vaccine at the border. It's the most effective thing we have given the problems with testing, so I would abandon the lot, apart from LFD for new arrivals and special cases. So my position is close to the CDC.
However my 95% plus counts for nothing. There are so many things that could go wrong, so many things unknown, so many people with Covid right now that we have to be cautious. Every death is now avoidable, so making the wrong call, or making a premature call, can and will kill. If the evidence continues to be this conclusive, and we discover that variants can be managed then the restrictions will ease very quickly, at least for those vaccinated or living in a highly vaccinated community. It's just a mater of time and patience, something that we really should be used to by now. Moreover this caution has led to a reduction in death rate by 99% - which is much more than the Americans can say even though they have greater vaccine resources than the UK. So those experts - who incidentally have a range of viewpoints even within SAGE and the big structure feeding into SAGE - have a track record of which to be proud. |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33196723)
I have no idea where to even look up the rules for this so figure I'd ask the knowledgeable FT community.
Wife and daughter are dual UK/US citizens but, planning on settling back in the US July time. I am planning on going with them to the airport in case my wife has the "are you permitted to take this child out of the country" conversation. The question is, I am planning on visiting over Christmas so I can see my daughter and look after her while my wife works. I am not worried about the UK declaration as I believe that is covered however, as things stand, will I be admitted to the US or do I need to speak to the US Embassy for some sort of permission to travel? |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33196723)
I have no idea where to even look up the rules for this so figure I'd ask the knowledgeable FT community.
Wife and daughter are dual UK/US citizens but, planning on settling back in the US July time. I am planning on going with them to the airport in case my wife has the "are you permitted to take this child out of the country" conversation. The question is, I am planning on visiting over Christmas so I can see my daughter and look after her while my wife works. I am not worried about the UK declaration as I believe that is covered however, as things stand, will I be admitted to the US or do I need to speak to the US Embassy for some sort of permission to travel? |
Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015
(Post 33196734)
I don't think that you would currently be permitted into the US under the current rules (unless you went to "neutral" territory for 14 days first). That said, I think it is in the worst of worst case scenarios that the restriction will remain at Christmas time.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33196730)
I think with things changing so much it may be a bit early to try and predict what the situation will be by Christmas - I can barely predict anything beyond one week atm :)
Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015
(Post 33196734)
I don't think that you would currently be permitted into the US under the current rules (unless you went to "neutral" territory for 14 days first). That said, I think it is in the worst of worst case scenarios that the restriction will remain at Christmas time.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33196738)
I think current rules are a spouse of a US national could go as long as they show their marriage certificate? But yes agree hopefully this may not be an issue at all by the end of the year.
Section 2 of the proclamation exempts the spouse and a parent of a us national who is under 21 exemption from the 14 day rule but hopefully as above it will be removed later. The proclamation and exemptions can be seen in the coronavirus and travel forums. Regards Tbs |
Originally Posted by Silver Fox
(Post 33196450)
Hindsight is a marvellous invention. I remember when the scientists told us "diesel good, petrol bad". I think we can all agree that everyone can be wrong.
I guess where the unresolvable difference of opinion occurs is in what direction the bias of future decisions should be in. After the 2020 experience, where, let’s not beat around the bush, the UK’s early response to COVID was probably amongst the worst in the developed world (we’ll leave for another day whether that was bad science, or politics ignoring science) which directly correlated in one of the worst death rates, I completely understand the conservatism now being shown. Added to this, I simply don’t accept the risk to jobs and the economy, at the minute, outweighs the potential for further deaths and necessitates opening quicker than the roadmap. This is exacerbated by the time lag effect, ie if there is a negative turn, one thing we’ve learned is that it can not easily be turned around. I know others disagree, and are willing to take that risk and that is their prerogative. The argument that those who are in favour of adhering to the roadmap and potentially of imposing strict travel measures for temporary periods are somehow against travel for evermore is also absolutely simplistic. Also comparisons with other countries are not always simple. Israel is rightly being held up as a positive story, but they have only just relaxed outdoor mask wearing (which has never been widely practiced in the UK), maintained indoor mask wearing and have essentially closed their borders all almond except for limited circumstances. |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33196741)
My brain function isn't what it used to be clearly - apparently, according to the US Embassy website, I am exempt from the Presidential proclamation however, as things stand I would need to still quarantine for 7 days and test at 3 days. The next question I have is, how do I prove I am exempt. Might need a call to the emabssy.
Not sure on proof but what I can assure you of is that you will walk off the plane in the US and there will be no need to quarantine and test. There is no such infrastructure in the US. |
Originally Posted by DaveS
(Post 33196703)
Back on the subject of international travel, the BBC reported this:
And another report: Doesn't 29% of positive rapid tests being wrong contradict what we were told about accuracy previously? |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33196741)
My brain function isn't what it used to be clearly - apparently, according to the US Embassy website, I am exempt from the Presidential proclamation however, as things stand I would need to still quarantine for 7 days and test at 3 days. The next question I have is, how do I prove I am exempt. Might need a call to the emabssy.
That is the way it works right now. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33196834)
There are two sorts of errors - when someone who has Covid testing negative, and also someone without Covid testing positive. This 29% refers to the fraction of people who test positive, who actually do not have Covid. It says nothing about the accuracy when it comes to those with negative tests.
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