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rockflyertalk Apr 21, 2021 1:53 pm

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One from HMG & NHS.

DaveS Apr 21, 2021 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by rockflyertalk (Post 33195023)
One from HMG & NHS.

Will this be in the Sun tomorrow?

rockflyertalk Apr 21, 2021 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33195100)
Will this be in the Sun tomorrow?

? :confused:

Hopefully it’s in every paper.

DaveS Apr 21, 2021 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by rockflyertalk (Post 33195106)
? :confused:

Hopefully it’s in every paper.

I just does not look right to me. I know the data is really good news, but there are good government graphics and there are bad...

rockflyertalk Apr 21, 2021 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33195115)
I just does not look right to me. I know the data is really good news, but there are good government graphics and there are bad...

I think it’s more about data during a pandemic than looks. :)

flyslow Apr 21, 2021 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33193557)
So of your 4 blobs, we have combined blob1 and blob2 into the check-in person. Blob3 and blob4 is the screener, and the vaccinator is someone else. The screeners get the questions in, check the database to ensure we don't (e.g.) mix up vaccines between dose1 and dose2, ask about ethnicity and whether they have connections with care homes or look after people, updating the Point of Care database as we go.

We then ask
- do you have a fever or do you have Covid symptoms now?
- could you be pregnant or breast feeding (um, not everyone gets that question)
- are you on blood thinners? (This should be dropped, after administering thousands of jabs this has never caused a problem)
- have you had any other vaccinations in the last 7 days (more of a factor at the beginning due to the influenza vaccines).
- any previous serious allergic reactions / anaphylaxis
- how was dose1 for you? (where relevant)
- are you participating in a Covid vaccine trial? (since the RVI is in the Mixed Vaccine trial).
There are a few other bits and pieces, for example if the person has dementia. Then I stick my hand up, a floating GP or consultant will ask a question or two to check I've not missed anything and then it's off to the vaccinator. I can do both roles, screener and vaccinator, so it can be even quicker for some if I'm flexing positions.

My experience on Sunday
Outside (security?): Do you have an appointment? Me: Yes! Waved to the door

Inside, ground floor
HighViz 1: Do you have an appointment? Me: Yes!
HighViz 1: Name, DOB, appointment time? Me: flyslow, xx/xx/xxxx, 12:20.
HighViz 1: Follow those arrows upstairs!

First floor
HighViz 2: Do you have an appointment? Me: Yes!
HighViz 2: Name, DOB, appointment time? Me: flyslow, xx/xx/xxxx, 12:20.
HighViz 2: Follow those arrows to the waiting area! Me *takes about seven steps to the waiting area*
Less than minute later HighViz 2: You can now enter! *Points to the cubicle*

The cubicle
Guy with a laptop: Name? DOB? Me: flyslow, xx/xx/xxxx
Lady with a needle: Do you have any conditions I should know about? Me: Not that I know of
Lady with a needle: Do you have any questions? Me: Which vaccine will I get?
Lady with a needle: AZ Me: Oh, ok, I better book a day off work tomorrow then
Lady with a needle: No need to do that, worst you will have is mild headache. *Jabs* Did you drive here?
Me: No Lady with a needle: Exit though that door please!

Through the door
HighViz 3: Which one did you get? Me: AZ
HighViz 3: Did you drive here? Me: No
HighViz 3: Follow those arrows downstairs!

In and out definetly less than 10 minutes. No information leaflet, no mention of potential clotting symptoms I should be looking out for and downplaying side effects (wish I only had a mild headache).
Effective operation nevertheless and glad I got my jab. Booked second one via NHS site for 11 weeks from now. Interestingly it said after entering my details, that I have missed my second appointment and need to book a new one :confused:

13901 Apr 22, 2021 12:09 am

Has anyone here brought their yellow fever vaccination booklet with them? Of those who have and have been vaccinated I heard consistently conflicting info. Some have said that they got the booklet stamped, no questions asked. A few have gotten something scribbled on it. Roughly half have obtained a “computer says no” answer.

Misco60 Apr 22, 2021 12:36 am


Originally Posted by TSE (Post 33193584)
The press are reporting:

Some 74,000 people were admitted to hospitals with the virus in recent months, but only 32 who had had the vaccine, according to official data.
Quite extraordinary :tu:

This seems to be a case of misreporting, and the truth is somewhat more nuanced.

The researchers looked at 74,000 hospitalisations between September 2020 and March 2021. This was not all hospitalisations during the period, and many were before the vaccination programme started.

The Guardian summarises the findings as follows:

The numbers are hugely positive, but because the study includes only a fraction of hospitalisations, the total number of people in the UK admitted for treatment, even three weeks after vaccination, will be higher than 32. In the worst days of the second wave, pressure on the NHS was so intense that the scientists were only able to record information on about one in 10 new admissions at some hospitals involved in the study.

Prof Calum Semple, an author on the paper and a member of the government’s Sage scientific advisory group, said the data in the March report was preliminary and urged caution in interpreting it.

‘Extraordinary’ Covid jab data is misleading, but the numbers are still hugely positive | Coronavirus | The Guardian

corporate-wage-slave Apr 22, 2021 1:36 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33196248)
Has anyone here brought their yellow fever vaccination booklet with them? Of those who have and have been vaccinated I heard consistently conflicting info. Some have said that they got the booklet stamped, no questions asked. A few have gotten something scribbled on it. Roughly half have obtained a “computer says no” answer.

We've been given no guidance on this, other than to use the paper cards, which 98% of people hang on to religiously. I've only had one person (out of many thousands of vaccines) present an old travel vaccinations booklet (I think it was issued by one of the leading travel agents of the 1980s) and I politiely declined to fill it in, someone else may have been willing to do so. HMG is doing something in this space and even wants it ready by 17 May 2021 at least in some form. So I don't think this is the appropriate approach at the moment, not least because the WHO - which has governance on Yellow Fever - is currently not willing to do much in this space while vaccine availability is globally patchy.

Professor Yaffle Apr 22, 2021 2:12 am

The problem with a lot of the scientific reporting is that the negative branch of the science community have been given way too much airtime compared to the opposing groups, and so a lot of their 'predictions' have been taken as gospel, with far too little proper challenge. Best example being the famous '4,000 deaths a day' nonsense that was around last October. Current predictions of another wave this summer are equally nonsensical and should be being properly challenged. If we had an opposition with even an ounce of backbone I am sure they would be all over this.

The reality is that we are in a truly fantastic position as a result of the vaccine efforts and recent lockdowns, and that now is the time for a full, controlled opening of society, ceasing of excess government propoganda and a controlled reopening of borders with full testing in place.

USA_flyer Apr 22, 2021 2:19 am


Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle (Post 33196392)
The reality is that we are in a truly fantastic position as a result of the vaccine efforts and recent lockdowns, and that now is the time for a full, controlled opening of society, ceasing of excess government propoganda and a controlled reopening of borders with full testing in place.

In your opinion. I'm not ready for that yet.

fransknorge Apr 22, 2021 2:24 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33196248)
Has anyone here brought their yellow fever vaccination booklet with them? Of those who have and have been vaccinated I heard consistently conflicting info. Some have said that they got the booklet stamped, no questions asked. A few have gotten something scribbled on it. Roughly half have obtained a “computer says no” answer.

I have to admit that here Germany is shining, for once. And I do not understand why this is not more widespread. A German Health Insurance Card is always also a EHIC card, and the German vaccination booklet is also a yellow fever booklet, hence removing the need to have both the WHO approved one and the national one, it does both.
This is the booklet every German has:
https://www.nali-impfen.de/fileadmin...dd1fb2c856.jpg

13901 Apr 22, 2021 2:38 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33196369)
We've been given no guidance on this, other than to use the paper cards, which 98% of people hang on to religiously. I've only had one person (out of many thousands of vaccines) present an old travel vaccinations booklet (I think it was issued by one of the leading travel agents of the 1980s) and I politiely declined to fill it in, someone else may have been willing to do so. HMG is doing something in this space and even wants it ready by 17 May 2021 at least in some form. So I don't think this is the appropriate approach at the moment, not least because the WHO - which has governance on Yellow Fever - is currently not willing to do much in this space while vaccine availability is globally patchy.

Bit of a shame really as some countries (such as Iceland, where I may have half a chance to do a trail there if I get vaccinated, time off and I can train enough) are accepting it. I'm hoping that whatever HMG comes up with is not just fully electronic: I'm a EU citizen with indefinite leave to remain and as such all I have to prove it is an email or a website. That simply doesn't work abroad.


Originally Posted by fransknorge (Post 33196404)
I have to admit that here Germany is shining, for once. And I do not understand why this is not more widespread. A German Health Insurance Card is always also a EHIC card, and the German vaccination booklet is also a yellow fever booklet, hence removing the need to have both the WHO approved one and the national one, it does both.

Tell me about it! It's simple and works. But we've been 'round that buoy a number of time.

Silver Fox Apr 22, 2021 2:46 am

I still have my yellow card. Wasn't asked to use it for the vaccine so didn't. In fact I have never been asked for it ever that I recall and that includes going to Asia and Africa. I see on my NHS app that it goes back to 1989 where I had a tetanus jab and then various immunisations up until now including hepatitis ones I had in the USA which I suspect I asked to be entered at some stage. Computers now innit.

Professor Yaffle Apr 22, 2021 2:48 am


Originally Posted by USA_flyer (Post 33196397)
In your opinion. I'm not ready for that yet.

Nope, not my opinion, scientific fact ;).


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