TK is useless
Oct 12, 2008 | 8:38 am
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That's what I'm asking myself, too. Turkish has like many other European carriers on most of its medium haul aircrafts (737, A320, A321) only one type of seat. The difference between C and Y is that in C the middle seat is kept free and that there is a curtain divider between C and Y. So I wonder why there was no C on the A321.
Oct 12, 2008 | 8:40 am
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JED-FCO-JED via IST so no EU comp.
No curtain set-up, only 3X3 seating throughout and they filled EVERY seat
No curtain set-up, only 3X3 seating throughout and they filled EVERY seat
Was this the return portion of a trip started in Rome or did you start the trip of this ticket in Jeddah? If ticketed in Rome at least the EU compensation rules would help you pretty quick. So they simply removed the curtain between C and Y in the A321? Was the flight full?
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Oct 12, 2008 | 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by BKKLEE
3. TK-Istanbul says senior discount at 60, while int'l office says 65;
That is irrelevant. For a TK-operated flight, it would only apply for FCO-IST, but not for IST-FCO.
Oct 12, 2008 | 8:44 am
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[QUOTE=KVS;10507828]What is the route in question?
JED-IST-FCO w. A321 and no C albeit paid for and FCO-IST-JED on B737 in C w/o problems
JED-IST-FCO w. A321 and no C albeit paid for and FCO-IST-JED on B737 in C w/o problems
Oct 12, 2008 | 8:57 am
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Then it definitely starts at 60:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - ZUJ: JED-ROM/TK/DRT5/1803 USD]
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - ZUJ: JED-ROM/TK/DRT5/1803 USD]
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[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS] SNN/RESTRICTED SENIOR CITIZEN W/MULTIPLE AGE REQ PSGR 60 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 85 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CD. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN CASE OF SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNTS - COPIES OF THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS SHALL BE ATTCHED TO THE AUDIT COUPONS. OR - DIS/DISABLED PERSON PSGR - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS SB. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN CASE OF DISABLED PASSENGER DISCOUNTS-COPIES OF THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS SHALL BE ATTACHED TO THE AUDIT COUPONS.
Oct 12, 2008 | 9:14 am
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and I was a few days shy of 65, but tell that to TK-Jeddah as they neither agreed with 60 as stated by TK-IST or their own rules; probably because they are so incompetent they can't read, but what they will understand is damages, therefore, so be it
Then it definitely starts at 60:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - ZUJ: JED-ROM/TK/DRT5/1803 USD]
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - ZUJ: JED-ROM/TK/DRT5/1803 USD]
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[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS] SNN/RESTRICTED SENIOR CITIZEN W/MULTIPLE AGE REQ PSGR 60 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 85 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CD. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN CASE OF SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNTS - COPIES OF THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS SHALL BE ATTCHED TO THE AUDIT COUPONS. OR - DIS/DISABLED PERSON PSGR - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS SB. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN CASE OF DISABLED PASSENGER DISCOUNTS-COPIES OF THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS SHALL BE ATTACHED TO THE AUDIT COUPONS.
Oct 12, 2008 | 10:22 am
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On the actual topic at hand, I have trouble seeing a court awarding damages because you were denied access to a lounge and had your outsized ego bruised. As a hot shot $400/hr attorney with so much time on your hands I would bet you can research this. Maybe you can have one of your army of assistants deal with a paralegal on getting more info.
One would also think you would know more specifics about a case in which you impounded a multimillion aircraft. Must be hard being so important.
One would also think you would know more specifics about a case in which you impounded a multimillion aircraft. Must be hard being so important.
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Oct 12, 2008 | 10:50 am
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Just a Federal law that gives the Plaintiff, via Court order, to seize assets of a Defendant that are within a Court's jurisdiction that will be removed and TK's timetable states the fact that the asset - the plane - WILL be leaving so ex-parte, plane seized.
I do my own legwork but know this statute from Clerking for a Federal judge.
As for my fee, in NY I'm cheap!
So long jealous...........
I do my own legwork but know this statute from Clerking for a Federal judge.
As for my fee, in NY I'm cheap!
So long jealous...........
Maybe starting your own thread instead of hijacking this one would net you a better result.
On the actual topic at hand, I have trouble seeing a court awarding damages because you were denied access to a lounge and had your outsized ego bruised. As a hot shot $400/hr attorney with so much time on your hands I would bet you can research this. Maybe you can have one of your army of assistants deal with a paralegal on getting more info.
One would also think you would know more specifics about a case in which you impounded a multimillion aircraft. Must be hard being so important.
On the actual topic at hand, I have trouble seeing a court awarding damages because you were denied access to a lounge and had your outsized ego bruised. As a hot shot $400/hr attorney with so much time on your hands I would bet you can research this. Maybe you can have one of your army of assistants deal with a paralegal on getting more info.
One would also think you would know more specifics about a case in which you impounded a multimillion aircraft. Must be hard being so important.
Oct 12, 2008 | 1:13 pm
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From my experience, TK is a good, reliable airline.
Please view this http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843839 post.
I just completed another BKK-IST-FRA run in C and can only re-confirm my own judgement -along with a travel companion- this time.
I am looking forward to flying them again soon.
BKKLEE, while most of us here have good and bad experiences with the airlines we fly on, Im not sure this lawyer stuff belongs in this forum.
F.R.
Please view this http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843839 post.
I just completed another BKK-IST-FRA run in C and can only re-confirm my own judgement -along with a travel companion- this time.
I am looking forward to flying them again soon.
BKKLEE, while most of us here have good and bad experiences with the airlines we fly on, Im not sure this lawyer stuff belongs in this forum.
F.R.
Oct 12, 2008 | 1:29 pm
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It is incredibly sad that people are willing to allow airlines to treat them shabilly and not attempt to hold them accountable in any way. OP is doing exactly what all of us perhaps spend 5 seconds thinking about doing when we've been $hit on by any large corporation.
Of course, most of us just forget about it while some of us write a letter or make a call and then forget about it. OP OTOH appears to have the wherewithal, time and passion to attempt to hold the airline accountable. This is commendable and is an action that could potentially benefit the rest of us who do little or nothing to prevent big corporations continuing to act poorly with their customers.
Of course, most of us just forget about it while some of us write a letter or make a call and then forget about it. OP OTOH appears to have the wherewithal, time and passion to attempt to hold the airline accountable. This is commendable and is an action that could potentially benefit the rest of us who do little or nothing to prevent big corporations continuing to act poorly with their customers.
Oct 13, 2008 | 3:39 pm
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BKKLEE, please read the back of your ticket. It is full of crap like "for operational reasons, the carrier can make all sort of changes or even cancel the flight at all." More, back of your ticket lists only a small part of the contract and refers to another law or document, i dont remember now.
Lounge is not a liability, it is just to make the customer happy and loyal. If you are not happy, please feel free to choose another airline for your next flight.
Whatever legal specifications you have, i dont think you will be able to make any court neither in US nor Europe to accept your lawsuit; TK is negotiating for over 30 new air crafts and Airbus and Boing are the only competitiors.
So good luck, it is your 400USD/hr time..
Lounge is not a liability, it is just to make the customer happy and loyal. If you are not happy, please feel free to choose another airline for your next flight.
Whatever legal specifications you have, i dont think you will be able to make any court neither in US nor Europe to accept your lawsuit; TK is negotiating for over 30 new air crafts and Airbus and Boing are the only competitiors.
So good luck, it is your 400USD/hr time..
Oct 13, 2008 | 6:23 pm
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BKKLEE, please read the back of your ticket. It is full of crap like "for operational reasons, the carrier can make all sort of changes or even cancel the flight at all." More, back of your ticket lists only a small part of the contract and refers to another law or document, i dont remember now.
I'm all for the back of the ticket, but as I recall it does not say we'll
charge you for C, switch to Y and not provide a refund, now does it,
but thats TK's position.
Lounge is not a liability, it is just to make the customer happy and loyal. If you are not happy, please feel free to choose another airline for your next flight.
I wonder if you ever read the rules for *G flyers, whether in Y, C or F
regarding lounge access
I'd rather walk then ever fly on TK again, although I will be trying to
financially insure that they never fly again
Whatever legal specifications you have, i dont think you will be able to make any court neither in US nor Europe to accept your lawsuit; TK is negotiating for over 30 new air crafts and Airbus and Boing are the only competitiors.
So, my lawsuit will make TK switch from Boeing to Airbus. You
probably work for TK - same mentality.
As for a US Federal Court accepting my suit, it's mearly a $300 fee
and its filed following which any assets in the Courts jurisdiction
which will be removed will be seized by ex-parte motion.
So good luck, it is your 400USD/hr time..
I'm all for the back of the ticket, but as I recall it does not say we'll
charge you for C, switch to Y and not provide a refund, now does it,
but thats TK's position.
Lounge is not a liability, it is just to make the customer happy and loyal. If you are not happy, please feel free to choose another airline for your next flight.
I wonder if you ever read the rules for *G flyers, whether in Y, C or F
regarding lounge access
I'd rather walk then ever fly on TK again, although I will be trying to
financially insure that they never fly again
Whatever legal specifications you have, i dont think you will be able to make any court neither in US nor Europe to accept your lawsuit; TK is negotiating for over 30 new air crafts and Airbus and Boing are the only competitiors.
So, my lawsuit will make TK switch from Boeing to Airbus. You
probably work for TK - same mentality.
As for a US Federal Court accepting my suit, it's mearly a $300 fee
and its filed following which any assets in the Courts jurisdiction
which will be removed will be seized by ex-parte motion.
So good luck, it is your 400USD/hr time..
be my responsibility, and this suit is gonna last a long time.
Oct 14, 2008 | 2:39 am
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Threatining does not work my friend.. Especially against a Turkish company which is owned by the government of Turkey and many international funds. So my suggestion to you is that; try to use this for your own benefit. Paying for economy but flying business for a year will be better than what you can get if you go the other way. Short term benefit is better than the unexpected future.
Oct 14, 2008 | 3:14 am
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I do not pay for economy. I ONLY pay for business and expect to fly business. I do not use points/miles for these upgrades. And I've earned *G on both LH and UA, but based upon my experience wish *A had NEVER allowed TK to join.
As to TK's government ownership, partially or in whole, so long as they are engaged in a business venture they will not get soverign immunity protection (just ask the Govt of Liberia even after they had the US State Dept file an Amicus Brief in their behalf - they still LOST) by a US Federal Court.
I do not intend to be sweet with a bunch of incompetents who only know how to prtactice fraud.
As to TK's government ownership, partially or in whole, so long as they are engaged in a business venture they will not get soverign immunity protection (just ask the Govt of Liberia even after they had the US State Dept file an Amicus Brief in their behalf - they still LOST) by a US Federal Court.
I do not intend to be sweet with a bunch of incompetents who only know how to prtactice fraud.
I am not working for TK. If you read my other posts, you will see i hate the service TK offers. Mentality may be the same as I am also a Turkish guy, living in Bangkok and have the highest status for both TK and TG. I am full aware of the *G regulations. What happened to you also occured to me on several flights, not only with TK but also with TG and LH. I never took it to the court but just with sweet mouth, i knew to get lots of free upgrades for my future flights. And i wish it happens again in the future so i can keep more of my money but fly business.
Threatining does not work my friend.. Especially against a Turkish company which is owned by the government of Turkey and many international funds. So my suggestion to you is that; try to use this for your own benefit. Paying for economy but flying business for a year will be better than what you can get if you go the other way. Short term benefit is better than the unexpected future.
Threatining does not work my friend.. Especially against a Turkish company which is owned by the government of Turkey and many international funds. So my suggestion to you is that; try to use this for your own benefit. Paying for economy but flying business for a year will be better than what you can get if you go the other way. Short term benefit is better than the unexpected future.
Oct 14, 2008 | 3:15 am
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I do not pay for economy. I ONLY pay for business and expect to fly business. I do not use points/miles for these upgrades. And I've earned *G on both LH and UA, but based upon my experience wish *A had NEVER allowed TK to join.
As to TK's government ownership, partially or in whole, so long as they are engaged in a business venture they will not get soverign immunity protection (just ask the Govt of Liberia even after they had the US State Dept file an Amicus Brief in their behalf - they still LOST) by a US Federal Court.
I do not intend to be sweet with a bunch of incompetents who only know how to practice fraud.
As to TK's government ownership, partially or in whole, so long as they are engaged in a business venture they will not get soverign immunity protection (just ask the Govt of Liberia even after they had the US State Dept file an Amicus Brief in their behalf - they still LOST) by a US Federal Court.
I do not intend to be sweet with a bunch of incompetents who only know how to practice fraud.
I am not working for TK. If you read my other posts, you will see i hate the service TK offers. Mentality may be the same as I am also a Turkish guy, living in Bangkok and have the highest status for both TK and TG. I am full aware of the *G regulations. What happened to you also occured to me on several flights, not only with TK but also with TG and LH. I never took it to the court but just with sweet mouth, i knew to get lots of free upgrades for my future flights. And i wish it happens again in the future so i can keep more of my money but fly business.
Threatining does not work my friend.. Especially against a Turkish company which is owned by the government of Turkey and many international funds. So my suggestion to you is that; try to use this for your own benefit. Paying for economy but flying business for a year will be better than what you can get if you go the other way. Short term benefit is better than the unexpected future.
Threatining does not work my friend.. Especially against a Turkish company which is owned by the government of Turkey and many international funds. So my suggestion to you is that; try to use this for your own benefit. Paying for economy but flying business for a year will be better than what you can get if you go the other way. Short term benefit is better than the unexpected future.