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jpwhite Jun 7, 2010 5:09 pm

YYZ Transborder NEXUS
 
Is there only the one YYZ transborder NEXUS machine? In the last 3 weeks the only one that I could see (coming through the domestic --> transborder transfer) was "out of service".

There can't be just one there, right?

How often is that one down? It has been down 3 of the last 6 times that I have gone through there, is that normal, or am I just supremely unlucky?

emcampbe Jun 7, 2010 6:56 pm

There are 4 in the main US customs area at YYZ, all right in the middle of the two sides of customs desks. Not all 4 are always working, but everytime I've been through, at least one has been. But I'm always originating at YYZ, so not sure if connections go through a different area.

NoraPHL Jun 8, 2010 7:55 am


Originally Posted by B1 (Post 14092127)
The Niagara office is on the US side of the Whirlpool Bridge and you can't cross without a NEXUS card so it makes sense to go to Fort Erie, which is in Canada and is a quick ride down the QEW. It is a larger office with longer hours. I have posted directions earlier in this thread. I cannot answer your questions about appointment protocols.

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't thinking! I did get lucky though, someone cancelled a YYZ appointment this Friday and I took it. I have been waiting for that all week! So I only had to reschedule once anyway. It sure beats driving down to Fort Erie.

RCyyz Jun 8, 2010 8:41 am


Originally Posted by NoraPHL (Post 14091976)
I was thinking of renting a car and driving to Niagara or Fort Erie.

Ft. Erie (Canada) is easier to go to than Niagara (US). In terms of distance, it's really not a big deal. You feel like you're driving any further to get to Ft. Erie vs Niagara.

But if you have your interview at YYZ for June 26, why not keep it? The interview is in the airport. As long as you're not trying to come downtown you'll be OK.

B1 Jun 8, 2010 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by NoraPHL (Post 14096678)
Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't thinking! I did get lucky though, someone cancelled a YYZ appointment this Friday and I took it. I have been waiting for that all week! So I only had to reschedule once anyway. It sure beats driving down to Fort Erie.

Indeed - except for the free parking at Fort Erie. ;)
The interview should be a breeze.

bbc z Jun 8, 2010 3:34 pm

Anyone else noticing a sharp increases of Nexus users being 'Randomly' directed to secondary? It happened to me two weeks ago on my jaunt through YYZ->US T1 and then happened to the nexus user right infront of me in line as we're handing our immigration cards over this week... Previous to that I've been a two year user and never seen this happen.

I thought that the machine itself was built with a 2% secondary referral rate in it, but my card looked just like any other card when I was picked.. Shouldn't the fact that the machine didn't randomly pick me preclude the guard from randomly picking me?

NoraPHL Jun 8, 2010 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by RCyyz (Post 14097445)
But if you have your interview at YYZ for June 26, why not keep it? The interview is in the airport. As long as you're not trying to come downtown you'll be OK.

My place to stay is downtown, so the trip just wasn't going to work out.


Originally Posted by B1 (Post 14098925)
Indeed - except for the free parking at Fort Erie. ;)
The interview should be a breeze.

It was either going to be rental/gas (and drive time!) to Ft. Erie or cab to downtown. My flight lands at 8, and my interview is at 9, so it's pretty tight given my experience with Air Canada PHL>YYZ flights and customs at Pearson but I hope they will take pity on me if I am late.

sfo Jun 8, 2010 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by emcampbe (Post 14093634)
It depends which side you're crossing to.

Going into the US, the forms certainly do indicate "food" (along with a number of specific types of foods like fruits, meats, nuts, dairy products, etc.), meaning any type of food. It's also a bit interesting with the placement, as "food" is listed between a number of specific types, and I've heard some non-experienced travellers complaining the placement makes it hard to see. It would be nice if it come first in a list. Mind you, as a frequent traveller, I know better...

Coming into Canada, the forms do not specify "food" in general, but only specific types of food like fruits, meat, dairy, etc.

I do declare all food coming into the US, but only coming into Canada if i'm bringing in something (or something containing ingredients) that is specifically listed out on the form.

The Custom Declaration card going into the USA lists only the following
Fruits, Food, Meats, nothing about nuts, dairy products. But since food is food then one must mark yes to anything edible regardless of what it is. It is strange that there is a listing for food and then under that meats, are not meats food? So why there a distinction made between the two items? What I find interesting is that if you come into the USA by car, you do not fill out a card and are seldom asked about what food you may be bringing in. The only time one would say what food items they may have with them when they are driving is if the Inspector asks, "do you have anything to declare?"

yyzvoyageur Jun 8, 2010 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by bbc z (Post 14100113)
Shouldn't the fact that the machine didn't randomly pick me preclude the guard from randomly picking me?

No.


Originally Posted by sfo (Post 14100938)
What I find interesting is that if you come into the USA by car, you do not fill out a card and are seldom asked about what food you may be bringing in. The only time one would say what food items they may have with them when they are driving is if the Inspector asks, "do you have anything to declare?"

Lower risk than international flights from outside North America.

emcampbe Jun 8, 2010 7:37 pm


Originally Posted by bbc z (Post 14100113)
Anyone else noticing a sharp increases of Nexus users being 'Randomly' directed to secondary? It happened to me two weeks ago on my jaunt through YYZ->US T1 and then happened to the nexus user right infront of me in line as we're handing our immigration cards over this week... Previous to that I've been a two year user and never seen this happen.

I thought that the machine itself was built with a 2% secondary referral rate in it, but my card looked just like any other card when I was picked.. Shouldn't the fact that the machine didn't randomly pick me preclude the guard from randomly picking me?

I'm by no means a statistician, but your sample size of 2, presumably within minutes (or seconds) of each other based on your description, is a pretty biased one. Sounds like you need to do a lot more research to support your hypothesis.

Do you have specific knowledge of each machine being built to give a 2% secondary referral rate? For the record, I've heard 3%, but have no reason to believe this is or isn't true. Perhaps whatever rate is real is by the traveler, not the machine? Even if it is true and 2% per machine, perhaps you were the 100th person to use the machine that day and the person before was the 99th, and you were the first two to be randomly sent to secondary. That situation very well might not be true...but it is possible.

On the other hand, if you've gone for 2 years without a secondary, maybe it was just your turn to be randomly sent in. Perhaps the person before you was the same situation?

I think you get my point....

bbc z Jun 9, 2010 3:11 pm


Originally Posted by emcampbe
I'm by no means a statistician, but your sample size of 2, presumably within minutes (or seconds) of each other based on your description, is a pretty biased one. Sounds like you need to do a lot more research to support your hypothesis.


Originally Posted by bbcz
Previous to that I've been a two year user and never seen this happen.

Honestly, RTFM before you go on to spout statistics to me after you preface your repsonse with something about NOT being a statistician.

It's just an obversation. Yeesh, chill pill plz.

dnotes Jun 9, 2010 5:12 pm


Originally Posted by fly-yul (Post 14085640)
To be clear the kids have to be enrolled in NEXUS as well.

I present my yellow card from the kiosk (and the wife's as well). Then I hand over the kids NEXUS cards and more often then not they ask for the adult cards as well. Since we are 4 or less people I only use one card for everyone.

I have experienced angry scowls from crew members in the line behind us. Mumblings of "you are in the wrong line" etc. Even the CBSA counter agent gotten angry about my using the crew/ special services line. The few times that has happened I politely ask that they contact a supervisor to explain to them the procedure for children without iris scans on file.



ok so get myself and partner iris scanned then go to the counter for the kid's, just wondering here… for the sake of saving time instead of re-joining the uh crew line (if there is a line-up) wouldn't one just wait at the crew line instead and get processed by the CBP?

is coming back into Canada the same? get iris scanned and then present the child's Nexus to the CBSA at the crew line?

thanks again for the clarification. ^

B1 Jun 10, 2010 11:35 am


Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur (Post 14101190)
No.



Lower risk than international flights from outside North America.

Certain products from Canada are also not permitted and I was subjected to questioning about "food" several times at the preclearance at YYZ, so there's no distinction with driving on that basis. The real difference is that at the land border you are not answering questions on a card and the interviewer chooses what to ask. The usual questions at the land border NEXUS lane entering the US begin with "what is the purpose of your visit" and based on the response, they enquire further about what you are bringing. They inspect your record on the system as well and then make a decision. In any case the agent may receive a random notice to send the current subject for secondary inspection.

patrick_usacanada Jun 10, 2010 8:20 pm

Leaving Terminal 3 for U.S, there are nexus machine in terminal 3 correct^.



Thank You.

ffsim Jun 11, 2010 8:27 am


Originally Posted by patrick_usacanada (Post 14113671)
Leaving Terminal 3 for U.S, there are nexus machine in terminal 3 correct^.



Thank You.

IIRC you clear customs in T1 then take a shuttle to T3. There's no customs/Nexus in T3.


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