Anyone Ever Get Turned Down for Global Entry?
Oct 4, 2013, 7:42 am
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and lumped him in with that.
Oct 4, 2013, 7:47 am
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There is some history of that kind of stuff happening and hitting people at border-crossings/POEs.
Oct 4, 2013, 7:49 am
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No doubt mine is an edge case. Still, it's pretty sad that even the ombudsman's office doesn't bother replying to queries.
Oct 4, 2013, 8:05 am
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ive been pulled over for speeding before but nothing serious. nothing like this or drug use was brought up in my interview either so id think those didnt have anything to do with it.
i want to reapply asap just to get another interview and this time voice my concerns or ask more questions about why i was denied.
i wish this stuff didnt bother me so much.
i dont have a problem being denied so much as i do not understanding why. if i got an actual reason for being denied i could go on with my life without wondering why at least.
i want to reapply asap just to get another interview and this time voice my concerns or ask more questions about why i was denied.
i wish this stuff didnt bother me so much.
i dont have a problem being denied so much as i do not understanding why. if i got an actual reason for being denied i could go on with my life without wondering why at least.
Oct 4, 2013, 8:11 am
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ive been pulled over for speeding before but nothing serious. nothing like this or drug use was brought up in my interview either so id think those didnt have anything to do with it.
i want to reapply asap just to get another interview and this time voice my concerns or ask more questions about why i was denied.
i wish this stuff didnt bother me so much.
i dont have a problem being denied so much as i do not understanding why. if i got an actual reason for being denied i could go on with my life without wondering why at least.
i want to reapply asap just to get another interview and this time voice my concerns or ask more questions about why i was denied.
i wish this stuff didnt bother me so much.
i dont have a problem being denied so much as i do not understanding why. if i got an actual reason for being denied i could go on with my life without wondering why at least.
They'd just find it on a background check.Everyone I've spoken with recommends one should not reapply immediately, especially just to ask questions or to vent. That would be pointless, since the next interviewing agent you'd get wouldn't be the one who denied you in the first place. The chance you'd be accepted on your second try is essentially nil.
I too wish there were more transparency. This experience has changed my thinking about government secrecy a bit.
Oct 11, 2013, 2:54 pm
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Curious if TSA's expanded Pre-Check will use a different criteria for acceptance or denial than Global Entry. Do you get a clean slate applying for Pre-Check? Or are you certain to be rejected by the TSA if you've already been denied Global Entry?
I've heard theories both ways. On one hand, all the agencies harvest the same information about you - it all comes from the FBI. BUT, from what I read, the TSA is looking to weed out only specific threats to transportation safety: those who've been convicted of violent crimes, gun possession, etc.
Any thoughts on this?
I've heard theories both ways. On one hand, all the agencies harvest the same information about you - it all comes from the FBI. BUT, from what I read, the TSA is looking to weed out only specific threats to transportation safety: those who've been convicted of violent crimes, gun possession, etc.
Any thoughts on this?
Oct 11, 2013, 3:06 pm
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my83mlb you have an interesting question and I am wondering the exact same thing. Based on my personal experience, having my GE revoked for mysterious reasons and the Ombudsman not responding (even after 6 months) .. I guess there is a high probability that the GE system harvests their own unique information about traveler risk that is totally separate from other agencies. The reason I believe this is because I go through a special government background check every few years that is 10x more thorough than GE, and I have never had a problem sailing through that check, including recently. That special check involves every government and law enforcement database that ever exists. So I am guessing that GE's havests their own data on travelers. Also I know that sometimes government agencies compete with each other and sometimes government agencies don't even trust each other!
Oct 11, 2013, 5:03 pm
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TSA, meanwhile, just has to determine who's a threat to the aircraft. A much, much smaller group of people.
Having been rejected for GE, I nevertheless fully expect to be granted Pre-Check when the standalone memberships become available.
Oct 11, 2013, 5:58 pm
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Eric,
Have you received anything back from the Ombudsman? Also how did you contact them? Did you send an email or a letter?
I had my interview today and i just received my denial over email.
I was given the same generic "Failure to meet the strict standards of the Trusted Traveler Program." reason.
I have never been arrested or had any problems with customs so I am baffled to why I was denied. I thought the interview went fine. The only think I thought was weird was after he asked me where I travel for work, which i replied london and spain, he asked about afghanistan. I said no and i figure he was joking because i have a big beard. FWIW, ive never been to the middle east and the only countries I have been too are england, france, and japan.
Im really nervous im going to get the same generic response from my appeal and im left paranoid that something bad is mistakenly coming up in my background check and I will never know what it is.
Have you received anything back from the Ombudsman? Also how did you contact them? Did you send an email or a letter?
I had my interview today and i just received my denial over email.
I was given the same generic "Failure to meet the strict standards of the Trusted Traveler Program." reason.
I have never been arrested or had any problems with customs so I am baffled to why I was denied. I thought the interview went fine. The only think I thought was weird was after he asked me where I travel for work, which i replied london and spain, he asked about afghanistan. I said no and i figure he was joking because i have a big beard. FWIW, ive never been to the middle east and the only countries I have been too are england, france, and japan.
Im really nervous im going to get the same generic response from my appeal and im left paranoid that something bad is mistakenly coming up in my background check and I will never know what it is.
Oct 11, 2013, 6:38 pm
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Oct 11, 2013, 6:49 pm
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I tried the FOIA request and followed their instructions exactly. I received a letter back that said I need to prove my identity with a sworn statement before they can proceed. However I already provided that on the original letter. When I searched the web, I found another story of someone who followed the FOIA instructions exactly but also bounced back with a request to prove their identity. I haven't had time to continue to play these games.
Oct 12, 2013, 3:35 am
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GE is not a carte blanche to do that. Even people with GE declare what needs to be declared; and, GE or not, others get caught failing to make appropriate declarations and losing (previous or potential future) GE participation allowances may well be the least of the passenger's worries.
Oct 12, 2013, 8:55 am
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GE is not a carte blanche to do that. Even people with GE declare what needs to be declared; and, GE or not, others get caught failing to make appropriate declarations and losing (previous or potential future) GE participation allowances may well be the least of the passenger's worries.
And really, my point was that CBP needs to be quite strict, since GE members are expected to function largely on the honor system.
Oct 12, 2013, 9:03 am
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Certainly I'm aware of the proper procedure. I guess I'm bitter because I'm such a ridiculous stickler -- paranoid about even the perception of doing something wrong, I even pre-register my electronics with customs before a trip -- and yet I was denied GE without the courtesy of an explanation.
And really, my point was that CBP needs to be quite strict, since GE members are expected to function largely on the honor system.
And really, my point was that CBP needs to be quite strict, since GE members are expected to function largely on the honor system.
Even the non-GE entries into the US by US persons are largely based on the honor system.
Oct 14, 2013, 8:51 pm
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I think the point is, denials from Global Entry and waiting (hoping) for a response from the ombudsman will soon be moot. Unless you're been convicted of assault or a firearms-related felony, you're likely going to be approved for the stand-alone PreCheck. I would be very surprised if that weren't the case.