Alternatives when airline refuses to board due to passport's nationality.
#106
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All airlines have "hidden conditions" of some sort. For example, no US airline has ever highlighted the condition, during the booking process, that the passenger with a valid ticket and valid ID may be denied travel due to a hidden blacklist. I wouldn't call it fraud, but I would call it customer-unfriendly -- no less because the airlines don't really lobby hard against this kind of stuff; and more so because the airline labor unions are often fans of the dog and pony show in the name of "security" or who knows what as long as it hits the passengers and not them. This situation isn't really that different: not fraud, but customer-unfriendly.
#107
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I agree with you that I don't think this is a deliberate fraud. But the whole recognition thing of Israel is very real in this world. Kuwait is not the only government who doesn't recognize Israel. And that isn't a "I don't believe it exists", but rather a very specific legal statement that is recognized by other nations. Prior to Nixon, for example, the US didn't recognize China. Today, the US doesn't recognize Taiwan.
And keep in mind that Kuwait Air is an arm of the Kuwaiti government.
And keep in mind that Kuwait Air is an arm of the Kuwaiti government.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
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One wonders what the U.S. Government was really fighting for, when it joined (or, rather, created) the War of Kuwaiti Independence in 1990.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
Remember, Kuwait Air is part of the Kuwait government.
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One wonders what the U.S. Government was really fighting for, when it joined (or, rather, created) the War of Kuwaiti Independence in 1990.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
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One wonders what the U.S. Government was really fighting for, when it joined (or, rather, created) the War of Kuwaiti Independence in 1990.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
Freedom and democracy? Yeah, right. Welcome back, emir.
Airlines operating from the U.S. ought to be required to "recognize" the countries the U.S. recognizes, imo.
so thats what the US govt was fighting for: money. and lots of it, that is also funneled to the US via the saudi royal fam. its the same reason saudi citizens are treated so well in the US esp at customs and border patrol, because there's a directive in place "to be nice to all saudi citizens" and it was the reason even tho most of the 9/11 hijackers were saudi nationals (and part of the reason why they got into the country so easily even with expired visas,) that we did not do the right thing and invade saudi. but the story goes back or rather starts decades ago. you can read more about it in this book: http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Sau.../dp/0743253396
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Invade Saudi Arabia over 9/11? Bad idea, no less so because it would have been Osama bin Laden's fantasy come true.
Wait, what does this have to do with Kuwait Airways.
Does SV have any flights to/from the US that doesn't begin or end in Saudi Arabia? Or is Kuwait Airways the only airline in this kind of position of having a flight between the US and another country where both countries accept Israeli passports but whose home country doesn't accept Israeli passports?
Wait, what does this have to do with Kuwait Airways.
Does SV have any flights to/from the US that doesn't begin or end in Saudi Arabia? Or is Kuwait Airways the only airline in this kind of position of having a flight between the US and another country where both countries accept Israeli passports but whose home country doesn't accept Israeli passports?
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#112
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what that has to do with KU is that the US govt or any other govt (UK and other EU govts) which pander to petrodollars will turn a blind eye to many forms of injustice. thats just the world we live in -- money talks and BS walks.
also how would that have been OBLs fantasy come true? you realize majority of his fam is still in saudi and even if they had cut ties with him, they'd be hurt the most.
also how would that have been OBLs fantasy come true? you realize majority of his fam is still in saudi and even if they had cut ties with him, they'd be hurt the most.
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what that has to do with KU is that the US govt or any other govt which panders to petrodollars will turn a blind eye to many forms of injustice.
also how would that have been OBLs fantasy come true? you realize majority of his fam is still in saudi and even if they had cut ties with him, they'd be hurt the most.
also how would that have been OBLs fantasy come true? you realize majority of his fam is still in saudi and even if they had cut ties with him, they'd be hurt the most.
His Saudi citizenship had been revoked by the Saudi royal family well before 9/11, even as he was on his way to being rehabilitated by the Saudi establishment in the summer leading up to 9/11.
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Does SV have any flights to/from the US that doesn't begin or end in Saudi Arabia? Or is Kuwait Airways the only airline in this kind of position of having a flight between the US and another country where both countries accept Israeli passports but whose home country doesn't accept Israeli passports?
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I don't know what PK and MH's practices have been on these routes when they existed, but it would be interesting to know.
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Doesn't SQ have some fifth freedom flights?
Pakistani International Airlines used to do CDG-JFK. I don't know whether they still serve this route.
Pakistani International Airlines used to do CDG-JFK. I don't know whether they still serve this route.
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I haven't seem a PK flight from the US to CDG in ages.
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EK also flies JFK-MXP (flight #205/206).
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I mean sure there's always a risk that doing that would turn saudi into the next iraq, post-saddam. or current-day egypt with sham democracy. but atleast its a step forward in perhaps the right direction.