Alternatives when airline refuses to board due to passport's nationality.
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(Is that fair? IMO, no it isn't. But I don't rule the world. Yet.)
The airline has a rule that a passenger must present a valid passport. So does every other airline on the planet.
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Timatic doesn't even have a field for "airline", so IATA (whose rules the ticket was purchased under) doesn't appear to allow airlines to arbitrarily ignore passports from a specific country when it's not related to verifying that the customer will be able to enter the destination, which is not at issue here.
Since when was "this is not a common problem to be aware of" a valid justification for not following the rules? I would think that any Israeli passport holder would be aware that many Muslim countries don't recognize the nation. If they aren't, it's on them.
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You talk about countries, but KU is an airline, not a country, and it appears a number of other Gulf airlines do not have this problem. The fact that KU attempts to mitigate by rebooking rather than saying, sorry, your problem, suggests that even they aren't comfortable dumping the whole thing on the the passenger.
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You talk about countries, but KU is an airline, not a country, and it appears a number of other Gulf airlines do not have this problem. The fact that KU attempts to mitigate by rebooking rather than saying, sorry, your problem, suggests that even they aren't comfortable dumping the whole thing on the the passenger.
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What makes you sure that KU is technically owned by the Kuwaiti government? Have you examined its capitalization tables? Not everything considered a "state-owned enterprise" is technically owned directly by the government . Even most SOEs are not "the government".
The following is absolutely correct:
"KU is an airline, not a country, and it appears a number of other Gulf airlines do not have this problem. The fact that KU attempts to mitigate by rebooking rather than saying, sorry, your problem, suggests that even they aren't comfortable dumping the whole thing on the the passenger."
The following is absolutely correct:
"KU is an airline, not a country, and it appears a number of other Gulf airlines do not have this problem. The fact that KU attempts to mitigate by rebooking rather than saying, sorry, your problem, suggests that even they aren't comfortable dumping the whole thing on the the passenger."
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People keep missing the main point. As far as Kuwait is concerned, an Israeli passport is no more valid that a Justice League of America membership card from a comic book.
(Is that fair? IMO, no it isn't. But I don't rule the world. Yet.)
The airline has a rule that a passenger must present a valid passport. So does every other airline on the planet.
(Is that fair? IMO, no it isn't. But I don't rule the world. Yet.)
The airline has a rule that a passenger must present a valid passport. So does every other airline on the planet.
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You talk about countries, but KU is an airline, not a country, and it appears a number of other Gulf airlines do not have this problem. The fact that KU attempts to mitigate by rebooking rather than saying, sorry, your problem, suggests that even they aren't comfortable dumping the whole thing on the the passenger.
That may be true, but that doesn't necessarily help the airline. When operating in the US (as in any country), the airline is subject to the relevant laws regulating their activities. If declining to recognize the Israeli passport were considered illegal national origin discrimination (which common carriers can't engage in) the airline would have to comply with the law in the US, regardless of what they did elsewhere.
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"No business can cite one country's laws as a justification for not following another country's laws."
While that may be true, if Kuwait law prohibits KU from transporting an Israeli passport holder between JFK and LHR, and if U.S. and/or U.K. law prohibits KU from discriminating against Israeli passport holders in the transportation of passengers locally between JFK and LHR, then KU might find itself with no alternative but to abandon the carriage of all passengers locally between JFK and LHR. The conflict of laws, if it exists, exists only because KU has opted to exercise its Fifth Freedom right to carry local traffic between JFK and LHR.
"No business can cite one country's laws as a justification for not following another country's laws."
While that may be true, if Kuwait law prohibits KU from transporting an Israeli passport holder between JFK and LHR, and if U.S. and/or U.K. law prohibits KU from discriminating against Israeli passport holders in the transportation of passengers locally between JFK and LHR, then KU might find itself with no alternative but to abandon the carriage of all passengers locally between JFK and LHR. The conflict of laws, if it exists, exists only because KU has opted to exercise its Fifth Freedom right to carry local traffic between JFK and LHR.
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"No business can cite one country's laws as a justification for not following another country's laws."
While that may be true, if Kuwait law prohibits KU from transporting an Israeli passport holder between JFK and LHR, and if U.S. and/or U.K. law prohibits KU from discriminating against Israeli passport holders in the transportation of passengers locally between JFK and LHR, then KU might find itself with no alternative but to abandon the carriage of all passengers locally between JFK and LHR. The conflict of laws, if it exists, exists only because KU has opted to exercise its Fifth Freedom right to carry local traffic between JFK and LHR.
"No business can cite one country's laws as a justification for not following another country's laws."
While that may be true, if Kuwait law prohibits KU from transporting an Israeli passport holder between JFK and LHR, and if U.S. and/or U.K. law prohibits KU from discriminating against Israeli passport holders in the transportation of passengers locally between JFK and LHR, then KU might find itself with no alternative but to abandon the carriage of all passengers locally between JFK and LHR. The conflict of laws, if it exists, exists only because KU has opted to exercise its Fifth Freedom right to carry local traffic between JFK and LHR.
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KU probably just rebooked in order to avoid bad publicity in the US and UK. It is better for them to absorb the cost of rebooking for a few Israeli passengers, than to lose business from Americans and Europeans because they got bad press. I don't see any reason they were obligated to rebook.
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From Kuwait Air web site:
https://www.kuwaitairways.com/en/abo...teprofile.aspx
"On the wave of the oil boom of the 1940s, a national carrier was born in 1954. Initially, Kuwait Airways Company served a limited network of Abadan, Beirut, Damascus and Jerusalem but a year later the fledgling carrier was facing economic hardship, and the government of Kuwait took a 50% interest in the airline, subsequently doubling the company's capital. Having entered the rough and tumble world of aviation, the government finally took out 100% share in Kuwait Airways."
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From Kuwait Air web site:
https://www.kuwaitairways.com/en/abo...teprofile.aspx
"On the wave of the oil boom of the 1940s, a national carrier was born in 1954. Initially, Kuwait Airways Company served a limited network of Abadan, Beirut, Damascus and Jerusalem but a year later the fledgling carrier was facing economic hardship, and the government of Kuwait took a 50% interest in the airline, subsequently doubling the company's capital. Having entered the rough and tumble world of aviation, the government finally took out 100% share in Kuwait Airways."
From Kuwait Air web site:
https://www.kuwaitairways.com/en/abo...teprofile.aspx
"On the wave of the oil boom of the 1940s, a national carrier was born in 1954. Initially, Kuwait Airways Company served a limited network of Abadan, Beirut, Damascus and Jerusalem but a year later the fledgling carrier was facing economic hardship, and the government of Kuwait took a 50% interest in the airline, subsequently doubling the company's capital. Having entered the rough and tumble world of aviation, the government finally took out 100% share in Kuwait Airways."
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Is it too simplistic for US and UK citizens to refuse to fly (i.e., boycott) Kuwait Airways until they become rational? If there were far fewer passengers JFK - LHR, the airline might decide it is OK to fly Israelis between the US and UK (they guess could still prohibit flights to/from Kuwait). Kuwaitis are lucky that are not citizens of a province of Iraq, due to the US and UK saving them.