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Old Jun 27, 2013, 11:01 am
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My 'avoid' list is relatively short. I try to avoid the US, because charging me to go there so they can pay for advertising to encourage tourists (alledgedly) and then fingerprinting me like a criminal proves to me they don't actually want me to visit so I'll take my tourist dollars elsewhere thank you. But I'll make exceptions for work related trips and fare errors (it is FT afterall )

I would have avoided Burma. Like someone else, not so sure about that now. I'd probably avoid Zimbabwe and Sudan - more for personal safety reasons than any deliberate 'I disapprove of them'.
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Old Jun 27, 2013, 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by CDTraveler
ROTFL!
Your considered and thoughtful response is noted.

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Good morning, Dr. Sheldon Cooper.
Who is Dr. Sheldon Cooper?
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Old Jun 27, 2013, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by TA
didn't intend this to go so in depth and possibly heated with disagreements. Maybe we can keep it friendly and to the original question? New thoughts, any others?
^ Let's not get this sent to OMNI/PR.
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Old Jun 27, 2013, 11:16 am
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I'd probably avoid Zimbabwe and Sudan
What happens there that doesn't happen in other countries nearby?
Would you go to South Sudan (independent since July 2011)?

Not picking on you but I find some of these personal vetoes baffling.
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Old Jun 27, 2013, 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Who is Dr. Sheldon Cooper?
Ouch, and you are living 50 miles away from Caltech?

Anyway, here...

Originally Posted by PTravel
Your considered and thoughtful response is noted.
This, again...
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Old Jun 27, 2013, 12:52 pm
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Ouch, and you are living 50 miles away from Caltech?

Anyway, here...
Well, that explains it -- sort of. I don't watch network television (except The Amazing Race), so I know nothing about either the show or the character. I read the Wikipedia article; the only commonality I see between myself and the character are our IQs.
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 4:55 am
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arizona.

after "papers please" passed, i have refused to go, and warned the foreign-born half of my family (who are US citizens) not to go. i do my best not to have any connection with the state.
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by mandolino
Can somebody tell me where they've seen these "nudie" scanners in the UK? Sure I wander around half asleep most of the time and I could easily have missed them.
LHR, LGW, MAN, LCY, STN, BHX, BFS, GLA, and EDI are all fitted with millimetre wave scanners. In the case of the first three, they are in all terminals. However, there is only one machine per checkpoint and in most cases the scanner is normally used on people who beep the nearest WTMD, in lieu of a hand search.

There are no medical exemptions in the UK including for such things as rotator cuff injuries; you must take up the position to the best of your ability. Children are also not exempt from scanning, although they will where feasible be allowed to hold a parent's hand while being scanned. (There is anecdotal evidence that people who have a visible injury such as an arm in a sling will not be selected however.)

Backscatter scanners have been phased out in the UK and I understand that all the MMWs in use are of the "gumby man" variety, rather than having someone in a remote viewing booth.

Passengers declining to be scanned will be offloaded from their flight and may be escorted off the airport.

It is believed that there is an exception for passengers who are in transit and inadmissible to the United Kingdom (e.g. due to needing a visa); such passengers will be patted down in lieu of being scanned if they repeatedly refuse to be scanned. This appears to be relevant only in LHR terminals 3 and 5 (north/main transit checkpoint) at this time.
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On the flip side, if you visit Israel to work with their burgeoning tech sector, once you have that Israel stamp on your passport, they won't let you into Saudi Arabia. That's where you have to do a "whoops, lost my passport, I need an emergency replacement" maneuver. Fortunately, I don't work in the energy sector, or that could get annoying fast.
Don't they offer to stamp a piece of paper instead of your passport in Israel? If not, many countries allow you to hold two passports at once if you say you frequently travel to places requiring visas so that you can have one passport in an embassy and one with you, or one passport for Israel and one for Libya/Saudi/etc.
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Andy Big Bear
On the flip side, if you visit Israel to work with their burgeoning tech sector, once you have that Israel stamp on your passport, they won't let you into Saudi Arabia. That's where you have to do a "whoops, lost my passport, I need an emergency replacement" maneuver. Fortunately, I don't work in the energy sector, or that could get annoying fast.
No longer true as Israel has stopped stamping, instead they give out a small piece of paper
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 6:44 pm
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Thanks stifle. I've been through all those UK airports but didn't notice any such scanners.

I do work in the energy sector but have two passports.
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Jenbel
My 'avoid' list is relatively short. . . . (content snipped)

I'd probably avoid Zimbabwe and Sudan - more for personal safety reasons than any deliberate 'I disapprove of them'.
I was born in the Sudan and lived there until I was 7 years old. Back then, it was treated as part of the British Commonwealth, being an Anglo-Egyptian Condominium, and was mainly administered by Britain. Nowadays, few people remember that, and the Sudan was classified by George W. Bush as being part of the "Axis of Evil".

Although I was registered as British by birth, my place of birth has been the cause of some anxiety for me when I travel, particularly when I enter the USA.

I've retained a smattering of Arabic, which surprised some people when I visited Egypt.

I have no desire whatsoever to go back to the Sudan!
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by buggysmama
um just because you do not agree with someone's personal reasons for not travelling to a particular place does not mean that you have to personally attack the person.

It seems to me that there are a few common reasons for why one would not want to travel to a particular location:
1. religion
2. politics
3. restrictive or overly cumbersome customs and immigration laws, regulations, and procedures
4. medical
5. legal
6. your home country's government has put restrictions on its citizens travelling to place X, although
that probably falls within the legal category.
Your list omits personal safety concerns, such as the publicized rapes in India.

Maybe extradition agreements and practices should be explicitly listed in light of the Snowden case.

Child custody laws and enforcement probably fall under legal, but it's a distinct issue for some people.
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
US, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Argentina, ... ?
Re fingerprinting: In April, I was on a cruise that terminated in Japan. I was secretly (and quietly) rather amused at the number of US citizens on that cruise who protested vehemently at being fingerprinted by Japanese immigration.

Some had no idea that the US also fingerprints incoming "foreigners" and one woman, when I gently told her, answered, "But we're not foreigners."

I've been to several of the countries mentioned in this thread as "no go" for various posters - Sudan, India, Zimbabwe, Japan, Malaysia, Korea, Russia, USA, UK. I'd prefer not to go back to some of them, but I'm glad I've been, because they all enlarged my experience of life.
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Old Jun 29, 2013, 8:50 pm
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If I avoided every country that had a law that bothered me, I'd have to move off-world.

For transit, the main one I like to avoid is the US, due to the lack of a transit, and the generally miserable immigration/security process. But as a practical matter, that just means transiting Canada instead, which may not be much of an improvement.

Originally Posted by stifle
It is believed that there is an exception for passengers who are in transit and inadmissible to the United Kingdom (e.g. due to needing a visa); such passengers will be patted down in lieu of being scanned if they repeatedly refuse to be scanned. This appears to be relevant only in LHR terminals 3 and 5 (north/main transit checkpoint) at this time.
So I guess if one has multiple passports, one of which does not allow visa-free travel to the UK, one can just show them that one, and hope they don't find the other?
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 12:20 am
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Originally Posted by celle
Although I was registered as British by birth, my place of birth has been the cause of some anxiety for me when I travel, particularly when I enter the USA.

I've retained a smattering of Arabic, which surprised some people when I visited Egypt.

I have no desire whatsoever to go back to the Sudan!
I had a holiday in the Sudan a few years ago. Three of us hired a 4WD and spent 2 weeks wandering around from Khartoum to roughly 100km south of the Egypt border. It was one of the best trips I have ever done. I'd definitely go back.
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