Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?
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My 'avoid' list is relatively short. I try to avoid the US, because charging me to go there so they can pay for advertising to encourage tourists (alledgedly) and then fingerprinting me like a criminal proves to me they don't actually want me to visit so I'll take my tourist dollars elsewhere thank you. But I'll make exceptions for work related trips and fare errors (it is FT afterall )
I would have avoided Burma. Like someone else, not so sure about that now. I'd probably avoid Zimbabwe and Sudan - more for personal safety reasons than any deliberate 'I disapprove of them'.
I would have avoided Burma. Like someone else, not so sure about that now. I'd probably avoid Zimbabwe and Sudan - more for personal safety reasons than any deliberate 'I disapprove of them'.
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I'd probably avoid Zimbabwe and Sudan
Would you go to South Sudan (independent since July 2011)?
Not picking on you but I find some of these personal vetoes baffling.
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arizona.
after "papers please" passed, i have refused to go, and warned the foreign-born half of my family (who are US citizens) not to go. i do my best not to have any connection with the state.
after "papers please" passed, i have refused to go, and warned the foreign-born half of my family (who are US citizens) not to go. i do my best not to have any connection with the state.
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There are no medical exemptions in the UK including for such things as rotator cuff injuries; you must take up the position to the best of your ability. Children are also not exempt from scanning, although they will where feasible be allowed to hold a parent's hand while being scanned. (There is anecdotal evidence that people who have a visible injury such as an arm in a sling will not be selected however.)
Backscatter scanners have been phased out in the UK and I understand that all the MMWs in use are of the "gumby man" variety, rather than having someone in a remote viewing booth.
Passengers declining to be scanned will be offloaded from their flight and may be escorted off the airport.
It is believed that there is an exception for passengers who are in transit and inadmissible to the United Kingdom (e.g. due to needing a visa); such passengers will be patted down in lieu of being scanned if they repeatedly refuse to be scanned. This appears to be relevant only in LHR terminals 3 and 5 (north/main transit checkpoint) at this time.
On the flip side, if you visit Israel to work with their burgeoning tech sector, once you have that Israel stamp on your passport, they won't let you into Saudi Arabia. That's where you have to do a "whoops, lost my passport, I need an emergency replacement" maneuver. Fortunately, I don't work in the energy sector, or that could get annoying fast.
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On the flip side, if you visit Israel to work with their burgeoning tech sector, once you have that Israel stamp on your passport, they won't let you into Saudi Arabia. That's where you have to do a "whoops, lost my passport, I need an emergency replacement" maneuver. Fortunately, I don't work in the energy sector, or that could get annoying fast.
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Thanks stifle. I've been through all those UK airports but didn't notice any such scanners.
I do work in the energy sector but have two passports.
I do work in the energy sector but have two passports.
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Although I was registered as British by birth, my place of birth has been the cause of some anxiety for me when I travel, particularly when I enter the USA.
I've retained a smattering of Arabic, which surprised some people when I visited Egypt.
I have no desire whatsoever to go back to the Sudan!
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um just because you do not agree with someone's personal reasons for not travelling to a particular place does not mean that you have to personally attack the person.
It seems to me that there are a few common reasons for why one would not want to travel to a particular location:
1. religion
2. politics
3. restrictive or overly cumbersome customs and immigration laws, regulations, and procedures
4. medical
5. legal
6. your home country's government has put restrictions on its citizens travelling to place X, although
that probably falls within the legal category.
It seems to me that there are a few common reasons for why one would not want to travel to a particular location:
1. religion
2. politics
3. restrictive or overly cumbersome customs and immigration laws, regulations, and procedures
4. medical
5. legal
6. your home country's government has put restrictions on its citizens travelling to place X, although
that probably falls within the legal category.
Maybe extradition agreements and practices should be explicitly listed in light of the Snowden case.
Child custody laws and enforcement probably fall under legal, but it's a distinct issue for some people.
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Re fingerprinting: In April, I was on a cruise that terminated in Japan. I was secretly (and quietly) rather amused at the number of US citizens on that cruise who protested vehemently at being fingerprinted by Japanese immigration.
Some had no idea that the US also fingerprints incoming "foreigners" and one woman, when I gently told her, answered, "But we're not foreigners."
I've been to several of the countries mentioned in this thread as "no go" for various posters - Sudan, India, Zimbabwe, Japan, Malaysia, Korea, Russia, USA, UK. I'd prefer not to go back to some of them, but I'm glad I've been, because they all enlarged my experience of life.
Some had no idea that the US also fingerprints incoming "foreigners" and one woman, when I gently told her, answered, "But we're not foreigners."
I've been to several of the countries mentioned in this thread as "no go" for various posters - Sudan, India, Zimbabwe, Japan, Malaysia, Korea, Russia, USA, UK. I'd prefer not to go back to some of them, but I'm glad I've been, because they all enlarged my experience of life.
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If I avoided every country that had a law that bothered me, I'd have to move off-world.
For transit, the main one I like to avoid is the US, due to the lack of a transit, and the generally miserable immigration/security process. But as a practical matter, that just means transiting Canada instead, which may not be much of an improvement.
So I guess if one has multiple passports, one of which does not allow visa-free travel to the UK, one can just show them that one, and hope they don't find the other?
For transit, the main one I like to avoid is the US, due to the lack of a transit, and the generally miserable immigration/security process. But as a practical matter, that just means transiting Canada instead, which may not be much of an improvement.
It is believed that there is an exception for passengers who are in transit and inadmissible to the United Kingdom (e.g. due to needing a visa); such passengers will be patted down in lieu of being scanned if they repeatedly refuse to be scanned. This appears to be relevant only in LHR terminals 3 and 5 (north/main transit checkpoint) at this time.
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Although I was registered as British by birth, my place of birth has been the cause of some anxiety for me when I travel, particularly when I enter the USA.
I've retained a smattering of Arabic, which surprised some people when I visited Egypt.
I have no desire whatsoever to go back to the Sudan!
I've retained a smattering of Arabic, which surprised some people when I visited Egypt.
I have no desire whatsoever to go back to the Sudan!