Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?
Jun 25, 2013, 12:13 pm
#31
Join Date: May 2005
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I do travel, but not to/thru the UK because of the no opt out rule. That's my way of protecting my freedom to choose whether or not I get irradiated by their "security" machines.
Jun 25, 2013, 12:26 pm
#32
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My fiance doesn't want to travel to any countries where being LGBT is illegal, since he'd rather avoid having us go to prison. I'm a little more flexible, since there are shades of grey — Morocco would be fine (since they have sort of a don't ask, don't tell attitude and there are ample rumors that the king himself is gay), while Iran or Uganda would be ...less fine.
I also don't go to countries with oppressive, undemocratic governments. I realize this is sort of a vague principle whose elements are open to various interpretation, but I guess it's sort of an I-know-it-when-I-see-it situation. To be honest, the only places I actually want to go to that run afoul of this prescription are Cuba and Uzbekistan - so those are sadly off my travel list for now.
Jun 25, 2013, 1:00 pm
#33
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I won't travel to or through Argentina because of the First Temporary Provision of its Constitution and what it stands for:
"First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas (sic), Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people."
"First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas (sic), Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people."
Last edited by rmb.flk; Jun 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm Reason: Correcting typo
Jun 25, 2013, 2:10 pm
#34
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I'm not big on visas that are hard to get or cost more than a pass to Disneyland. Or anti-gay regimes, Muslim or otherwise.
Jun 25, 2013, 2:15 pm
#35
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I generally avoid NY, NJ, CA, IL, . for similar reasons. I do occasionally admit to running down to MD for various things, but then again, I live fairly close to MD.
Jun 25, 2013, 2:17 pm
#36
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Vienna, Austria
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Due to their victorian or stoneage legislation there are many Caribbean Islands I would love to visit but won't. Russia is on that no-go list as well, as they are moving backwards in time in regards to LGBT rights at present.
Jun 25, 2013, 7:53 pm
#37
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Jun 25, 2013, 8:16 pm
#38
Join Date: May 2013
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My fiance, his brother, his sister-in-law, and I are planning a trip to Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Estonia spanning late July and early August. The brother and sister-in-law were considering having all of us visit St. Petersburg as well, until the Duma unanimously passed a law banning "gay propaganda." So much for that. I'm hoping, probably in vain, that they (and Qatar) can get their crap together before they host the World Cup, since I'd love to go at some point and would hate to have that option foreclosed for over a decade because of oppressive cultures.
Jun 25, 2013, 8:59 pm
#39
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Jun 25, 2013, 9:05 pm
#40
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Nah.
Most countries do not treat guests like criminals; only a few stupid ones do. I'd gladly spend my money in countries that welcome me, do not interrogate me on departure (Israel), and do not require nudeoscope (UK, Australia, Russia).
Most countries do not treat guests like criminals; only a few stupid ones do. I'd gladly spend my money in countries that welcome me, do not interrogate me on departure (Israel), and do not require nudeoscope (UK, Australia, Russia).
Jun 25, 2013, 9:25 pm
#41
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Remind me again which countries insist on fingerprinting their visitors before granting them the privilege of entry? Not just randomly, but all guests.
Jun 25, 2013, 9:36 pm
#42
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Jun 25, 2013, 9:51 pm
#43
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Stupid countries then. Unless any of them are only acting in retaliation - I don't recall beeing fingerprinted last time I entered Malaysia, for example, but I'm less concerned about them than at least one of the others mentioned.
Jun 25, 2013, 10:47 pm
#44
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Malaysia is the newest member of this disgraceful club. It happened in the last couple of years, I believe. I'm glad I had a chance to see KUL before this crap went down.
Japan and Korea are just aping the USA. Argentina claims it's for easier customs processing, but the reasoning is irrelevant to me. I'm happy spending my money in her sensible next-door neighbor, Chile.
Jun 25, 2013, 10:59 pm
#45
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Well, if less people want go to the places I also want to go while not bothering about fingerprinting or other stuff - better for me. 