Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?
Jun 24, 2013, 6:09 pm
#16
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f you are ordered to go through a whole body scanner (Nude-o-Scope), you are not allowed to opt out, as you can elsewhere
Oh. I've never seen one in the UK. I've been through them in Moscow. I don't think they allow opt out, not that it bothers me apart from the hassle of taking my shoes off and putting sock covers on.
Jun 24, 2013, 7:41 pm
#17
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Jun 24, 2013, 8:17 pm
#18
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If wiki is right, it is Schedule II drug which might get a person into serious trouble for having it without doctor's prescription even in US...
Jun 24, 2013, 8:41 pm
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If wiki is right, it is Schedule II drug which might get a person into serious trouble for having it without doctor's prescription even in US...
BTW, ^ to chollie for starting a thread on medications that are legal at home but not in some other countries.
Jun 24, 2013, 9:23 pm
#20
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My fiance doesn't want to travel to any countries where being LGBT is illegal, since he'd rather avoid having us go to prison. I'm a little more flexible, since there are shades of grey — Morocco would be fine (since they have sort of a don't ask, don't tell attitude and there are ample rumors that the king himself is gay), while Iran or Uganda would be ...less fine.
Jun 24, 2013, 9:36 pm
#21
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I'd skip basically the whole middle east.
Jun 24, 2013, 10:16 pm
#22
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Radiation - I've already had cancer once, not in a hurry to mutate any more of my cells.
Coercion - forcing me into a situation I, and quite a few physicists and physicians, consider to be dangerous, simply because I wish to travel.
Dishonesty - the Nude-o-Scope is a pretend answer to find the last terrorist attack, not the next one.
Indoctrination - "anything for security" is one of the greatest threats to our liberty ever dreamed up.
The so-called "nudity" is the least of my concerns with those machines and the ways they are used.
Coercion - forcing me into a situation I, and quite a few physicists and physicians, consider to be dangerous, simply because I wish to travel.
Dishonesty - the Nude-o-Scope is a pretend answer to find the last terrorist attack, not the next one.
Indoctrination - "anything for security" is one of the greatest threats to our liberty ever dreamed up.
The so-called "nudity" is the least of my concerns with those machines and the ways they are used.
Jun 25, 2013, 1:11 am
#23
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doctrination - "anything for security" is one of the greatest threats to our liberty ever dreamed up
I live in a granite house in a granite city so am not too fussed by low level radiation.
I've worked in both Syria ( police state) and Israel ( which some people have condemned me for) .
I get fingerprinted every time I re-enter the UK with my biometric residency card.
Perhaps I'm a morally compromised sheeple, perhaps not.
Jun 25, 2013, 1:30 am
#24
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Israel - I don't need a three hour interrogation. My passport contains stamps and visas from Iran, Sudan, Yemen and various other Middle Eastern countries. I am sure Israel would give me a hard time.
Jun 25, 2013, 1:39 am
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Jun 25, 2013, 6:13 am
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Israel because of the illegal settlements in the West Bank and annexation of various territories.
China because of its human rights record, its treatment of ethnic minorities and treatment of Tibet. I exempt Hong Kong from this.
Saudi Arabia because of its treatment of women.
Burma, until recently, but still not sure about that one.
Of course, these are just the egregious ones--if one looks too deeply into the records of many countries, there wouldn't be many places left to go. So you have to draw a line somewhere, or I do.
China because of its human rights record, its treatment of ethnic minorities and treatment of Tibet. I exempt Hong Kong from this.
Saudi Arabia because of its treatment of women.
Burma, until recently, but still not sure about that one.
Of course, these are just the egregious ones--if one looks too deeply into the records of many countries, there wouldn't be many places left to go. So you have to draw a line somewhere, or I do.
Jun 25, 2013, 6:29 am
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Ironically, they didnt care about Iran. Lebanon and Bahrain on the other hand was apparently the cause for a 3+ hour detention on arrival. Not fun after a 11 hour flight in Y.
Jun 25, 2013, 10:34 am
#28
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I'm one of those that avoid the US for transit (because a "transit" as the rest of the world knows it simply doesn't exist there - and you can add the TSA as an extra reason to that).
And the UK is on my "no transit" (actually "no flight") list because of the "no opt-out" rule.
On the other hand, I have visited some pretty weird places for professional reasons. But if there is some money to be made I become astonishingly flexible in my principles...
And the UK is on my "no transit" (actually "no flight") list because of the "no opt-out" rule.
On the other hand, I have visited some pretty weird places for professional reasons. But if there is some money to be made I become astonishingly flexible in my principles...
Jun 25, 2013, 11:04 am
#29
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I've got several middle East stamps in my passport and have never been "interrogated" at TLV apart from the polite security interview at LHR before check-in, and a similar quiz in the line at TLV when departing there. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it hasn't affected me enough to want to avoid the place.
Can somebody tell me where they've seen these "nudie" scanners in the UK? Sure I wander around half asleep most of the time and I could easily have missed them.
Can somebody tell me where they've seen these "nudie" scanners in the UK? Sure I wander around half asleep most of the time and I could easily have missed them.
Jun 25, 2013, 11:44 am
#30
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I won't ever transit at any GCC country.