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jimrpa Apr 26, 2005 8:54 pm

Sigh... yet another completely useless toy for non-Windoze users. I suppose the author has never considered releasing the tool as open source (yes, I know Windoze users don't understand the concept of "open")? Or better yet, writing a platform-independent tool (perhaps using Java or Webservices)? Or perhaps trying to enlist some Linux/Unix/Mac OS X Flyertalkers to help port the app? If the app REALLY works, why not just GPL it and set up a project on SourceForge? I'm sure there are lots of people who would be willing to contribute time to help.

In the meantime, is there any we can see those inventories over the web, without the nice front-end of the tool? I'd be willing to use cryptic interfaces, if I could just find a way to check "I" availability on DL!

Bulldog King Apr 26, 2005 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by jimrpa
I'd be willing to use cryptic interfaces, if I could just find a way to check "I" availability on DL!

Ehh....

I-class availability is available via ITN (i.e. Carlson Wagonlit Travel). ;)

Example:

08/01/05 DL#55 ATL-NRT: Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T0

Or is it award availability that you're really looking for (X, V, etc.)?

A.J.

KVS Apr 26, 2005 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by jimrpa
If the app REALLY works

While I feel no need to defend my choice of the platform (or respond to the implied personal attack contained in your post), I will say that it "really" does work :rolleyes: and currently has 800+ FT'ers as registered users, including ~3 users who successfully run it under a Windows emulator on their Macs.

KVS Apr 26, 2005 10:57 pm

KVS Availability Tool - QF
 
  • QF Booking Classes Displayed by this Tool (QF Award classes are in green):
    • Apollo: ITN
      • F A J C D W T Y B H K M R L V S N Q O (Long-Haul)
      • J D Y B H K W M R L V S N Q O (Short-Haul)

    • WSpan: ITN
      • F A J C D W T Y B H K M R L V S N Q O (Long-Haul)
      • J D Y B H K W M R L V S N Q O (Short-Haul)

    • Sabre: ITN
      • F A J C D I W T Y B H K M R (Long-Haul)
      • J D I Y B H K M R L V S N Q (Short-Haul)

    • Galileo: ETR
      • F A J C D W T Y B H K M R L V S N Q O (Long-Haul)
      • J D Y B H K W M R L V S N Q O (Short-Haul)

    • Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld
      • FS=P CS=U WS=Z YS=X


Kremmen Apr 26, 2005 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by KVS
As a reminder to everyone: Please do not use (or share) any outdated versions of the Tool, as doing so can, potentially, jeopardize the availability of the underlying data sources.

Why not just make the tool web-based? Then you would control the underlying version all the time, as well as removing all the issues of having to download the tool, it being operating-system specific, proxy issues, etc, etc.

KVS Apr 27, 2005 9:04 am


Originally Posted by Kremmen
Why not just make the tool web-based? Then you would control the underlying version all the time, as well as removing all the issues of having to download the tool, it being operating-system specific, proxy issues, etc, etc.

Thanks for the suggestion, but that would be yet another way to kill the Tool in no time, as the servers that the Tool is accessing will begin to receive an unusually high number of requests all coming from a single source... Not to mention a certain loss of functionality and speed.

jimrpa Apr 27, 2005 9:08 am


Originally Posted by KVS
While I feel no need to defend my choice of the platform (or respond to the implied personal attack contained in your post), I will say that it "really" does work :rolleyes: and currently has 800+ FT'ers as registered users, including ~3 users who successfully run it under a Windows emulator on their Macs.

I appologize for the perceived personal attack. It was poorly worded. As a non-Windoze user, I find it very frustrating that people develop Windoze-only applications. Yes, you're right - Mac users can shell out in excess of $200 to get a VERY poor-running Windoze "emulator". This does nothing to address the Linux, Unix, and Open Source communities. Given that people are beginning to look more seriously at alternatives to Windoze (examples - Mac mini is entering new retail and distribution channels, Firefox is experiencing rapid acceptance as a better alternative to Microsoft Internet Explorer, and may people are turning to viable alternate e-mail clients to avoid using the Microsoft Virus and spam distribution client (er, Outlook)).

You mentioned the Carson Wagonlit and ITN websites. I thought Carson Wagonlit was only available to clients of Carson Wagonlit (which I am not). I've tried using the ITN website (which appears to be American Express Travel Services now), with mixed success, hence my (probably unwarranted) scepticism.

Again though, I appologize for poor wording and what read like an "attack". That certainly wasn't my intent.

jimrpa Apr 27, 2005 9:09 am


Originally Posted by Bulldog King
Ehh....

I-class availability is available via ITN (i.e. Carlson Wagonlit Travel). ;)

Example:

08/01/05 DL#55 ATL-NRT: Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T0

Or is it award availability that you're really looking for (X, V, etc.)?

A.J.


Thanks. I'll give it a shot. I'm specifically interested in finding available "I" fares. I'm willing to pay a little extra to help pump up my meager MQM balance. At the rate I'm going, I won't even qualify for "Dovster Medallion Status" (i.e., ask Cholula for free Business/First tickets) this year. :D

KVS Apr 27, 2005 10:20 am


Originally Posted by jimrpa
I appologize for the perceived personal attack. It was poorly worded. As a non-Windoze user, I find it very frustrating that people develop Windoze-only applications.

I guess miscommunication is one of the dangers of internet forums :). Don't get me wrong -- I would never use M$ Internet Explorer (I use Netscape 7 that is based on the the open-source Gecko/Mozilla engine, the same engine that Firefox is using). Nor would I ever use Outlook as a mail client.


Originally Posted by jimrpa
Yes, you're right - Mac users can shell out in excess of $200 to get a VERY poor-running Windoze "emulator".

Well, most Java implementations run poorly under Windows. So the choice is really between (a) me enjoying the performance of a native Windows application and having the users who decided to chose another platform run it under an emulator AND (b) me running it under a sluggish emulator (Java engine for Windows) and Mac/Linux/etc users enjoying its great performance :) ...

A better option would be making it a web-based app that would be truly platform-independent, but that is not viable for the reasons explained here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...93#post3989293



Originally Posted by jimrpa
You mentioned the Carson Wagonlit and ITN websites. I thought Carson Wagonlit was only available to clients of Carson Wagonlit (which I am not).

There is a ITN CWT interface available at http://flyaow.com/classcwt.htm

It is equivalent to the Worldspan: ITN/CWT method of the KVS Availability Tool as described here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...44#post2804874

KVS Apr 27, 2005 10:51 am


Originally Posted by themicah
Correct. P/F are only for flights where FC is sold (usually within North America including Hawaii). J/C/Z are only flights where WBC is sold (usually to/from/within Europe and Asia). Your tool has no trouble with J/C/Z on appropriate routes.

That explains it, thanks -- just updated the original post.


Originally Posted by DJMeatBall
the only ones that really matter are Z (discounted biz class and full fare Y up to biz class mileage upgrades)

It appears that Z class is shown and has been highlited in green in the chart above.

SkyTeam777 Apr 27, 2005 11:08 am

but no N and R correct?

KVS Apr 27, 2005 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by SkyTeam777
but no N and R correct?

Correct.

longing4piedmont Apr 27, 2005 1:49 pm

Thanks KVS
 
I've been using this tool from almost the beginning. I use it every week and sometimes multiple times during the day. It's a free tool that KVS has developed to help the community. Thanks KVS for all the time and effort it has taken to develop and update the program. To me it has been one of the best "finds" I've made on FT.

I suggest you give it a try. If you don't like it, don't use it. But I would suggest pushing back from the key board before throwing rocks at someone who has investsed this much time to help us all.

vinnmann Apr 28, 2005 7:17 am

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El Perro Apr 28, 2005 7:39 am

I can vouch for the tool's awesomeness. This is a GREAT application.

I may end up sending KVS money for the full version.

mtparadis Apr 28, 2005 9:09 am


Originally Posted by El Perro
I can vouch for the tool's awesomeness. This is a GREAT application.

I may end up sending KVS money for the full version.

If he took Paypal I probably would've long ago... just too lazy as it is.

jimrpa Apr 28, 2005 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by vinnmann
I agree. I really like the tool and use it frequently. KVS, thank you for investing the time and effort to develop it. The tool works for a great number of users. I think complaining that there is not a Mac version is like complianing that that there is no nonstop on a widebody with a true F sleeper suite from TRI to CIC. While that may be nice for a few, it is not what the majroity of people need.

Hey, Apple announced that Mac sales represented 3.6% of all PC sales in the most recent quarter! You'd better watch out, they're gaining on you :D

ziplaufwerk Apr 29, 2005 10:35 pm

Award Classes for AA
 
What are the award codes with AA for Y, C and F? I want to look up in KVS (Worldspan).

I actually thougt:
Y = T
C = U
F = Z
Can anyone confirm or post here the correct codes?

PS: Is there an overview with the award classes for all the airlines? I didn't find it :-(

KVS Apr 30, 2005 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by ziplaufwerk
What are the award codes with AA for Y, C and F? I want to look up in KVS (Worldspan).

The info on AA booking classes can be found in FewMiles's Unofficial Guide to AAdvantage.
However, the Tool does not display AA "Plan AAhead" award booking classes (T/U/Z).

KVS May 1, 2005 9:03 am

Version 1.4.1 Released
 
Version 1.4.1 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download.

New Features:
  • Sabre: ITN/AXP has been added as a new access method! Please see The FAQ for more details. This method is only available in the FULL version.

  • The Date dropdown will now remember the dates entered during the session [ATTN: PreferBulkhead :D]
  • The Limit option has been added that controls the maximum number of results displayed

Reminder:
[Download Link]

KVS May 1, 2005 9:10 am

Version 1.4.1 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download

KVS May 1, 2005 9:11 am

Version 1.4.1 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download

KVS May 1, 2005 9:12 am

Version 1.4.1 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download

KVS May 1, 2005 9:13 am

Version 1.4.1 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download

PreferBulkhead May 1, 2005 9:56 am

:D :D :D Noted KVS!!! :D

--

PB

parnel May 1, 2005 11:05 am


Originally Posted by PreferBulkhead
:D :D :D Noted KVS!!! :D

--

PB

PB,Just make the check bigger :D

PreferBulkhead May 1, 2005 12:29 pm

Parnel, we all know that size does not matter :)
However once again noted :)

(PS Parnel - good to see you again on Friday last ... sorry could not stick around longer... maybe next time!)

--

PB

parnel May 1, 2005 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by PreferBulkhead
Parnel, we all know that size does not matter :)
However once again noted :)

(PS Parnel - good to see you again on Friday last ... sorry could not stick around longer... maybe next time!)

--

PB

Yea and I broke some traffic laws to get there when I did :D

PreferBulkhead May 1, 2005 1:03 pm

LOL!

I thought I heard of a "gentleman" mooning others at stoplights! :D

--

PB

javajunkie May 4, 2005 10:50 pm

DL or ST award availability?
 
Sorry if this has been asked before. I tried searching this thread and read the FAQ, etc. at the top of the thread and couldn't find this.

Does the KVS tool display award availability (ie. V, G, etc) on Delta, and other SkyTeam partners? I ask because I don't want to download / register if this tool can't do those (why unecesarily destroy bandwidth :D ). If it can, I'll give it a spin. :cool:

Thanks,

JavaJunkie :cool:
= a caffiene-based life-form =

KVS May 6, 2005 1:37 am

SkyTeam Classes Displayed
 

Originally Posted by javajunkie
Does the KVS tool display award availability (ie. V, G, etc) on Delta, and other SkyTeam partners?

Not for DL:As for other ST members, it has been confirmed that it does display award availability for:As for the remaining SkyTeam members, I have not checked yet.

onlysuites May 6, 2005 4:29 am

Hey KVS, Just PM'd you. Looking forward to using your tool.

Thanks

Pinot777 May 7, 2005 8:46 am

I cant download KVS because I have a MAC... is there a chance that this tool will be available for MAC users? I could really use some help in upgrade availabilities on UA (or Lufhansa) from LAX to MUC July (2,3,4,5th)
and back in August (2,3,4,or 5th)

KVS May 7, 2005 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by Pinot777
I cant download KVS because I have a MAC... is there a chance that this tool will be available for MAC users?

Take a look at the FAQ (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...20#post2804874) under "Mac Compatibility"

conradmueller May 9, 2005 3:31 am

Thanks very much for this super tool :)
Conrad

onlysuites May 10, 2005 2:39 am

Thanks KVS for the tool. Well appericated. ^

FlyerGoldII May 10, 2005 4:51 am

"I" class seats, and "search function"?
 
Based on the new upgrade "I" seat class for upgraded seats (see post #39 on this link: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430051), when (or if) will this class of seats show up on CWT ITN, or through the use of other search functions using the KVS tool?

PS-I hope you are not saying that "I" class will not appear, as suggested in the question in your FAQ section:

Interpreting The Results: Factors that can affect availability:

POS (Point-of-Sale) -- i.e. who is requesting availability and where are they from?:

An excellent explanation, courtesy of a FT member spanzviewmaster: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/show...=40#post3380501

mdb May 10, 2005 2:40 pm

I downloaded and it is looking for a reg code, I alos contributed 30.00...

Do I need to wait for an email?

KVS May 10, 2005 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by mdb
Do I need to wait for an email?

Just sent you a Private Message regarding this ...

KVS May 10, 2005 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
PS-I hope you are not saying that "I" class will not appear, as suggested in the question in your FAQ section:

That section of the FAQ did not address this issue specifically. At this point, I can't really speculate as to what AC booking classes will be available through the Tool after the transition is complete.

[Edited to Add:] Good news: As of today, I class appears to be available through all 6 access methods ...


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