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KVS Mar 30, 2005 1:06 pm

Version 1.3.9 Released
 
Version 1.3.9 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download.

New Features:
  • Sabre: AUA/*A: Now displays info about Eligibility of the segment for E-Ticket'ing, Departure Terminal, Arrival Terminal in the pop-up segment info menu

Reminder:
Download Link:

lonic_nz Mar 31, 2005 2:11 am

Help with Letters
 
Hi,

This may seem a bit off topic but............

I am a bit new to this and i was wondering what exaclty the letters is the availability mean? ie.C,E :confused:

I know:
P/F= First Class
J= 2nd Class
Y= Economy Class

but what about the others?

Thanks
Lonic

Academic Mar 31, 2005 4:41 am

Welcome to FT. Lonic_nz
The different letters refer to different fare buckets. So on AC, for example, Y,M,U,B,H are all upgradeable with SWUs. For domestic fares, the letters translate into Freedom, Latitude, Fun, Tango, etc., with mutliple buckets in each of those categories. The fare price declines from left to right.

The Winger Mar 31, 2005 8:43 am

KVS, these new features are great. Thanks again for the great tool!

I just sent you a PM to get your details to send a donation.

Meikrosoft Apr 7, 2005 12:03 pm

No more Award Availability (Sabre/AUA)
 
Unfortunately it seems to be that AUA has stopped the access to award availability through their site today. Until yesterday I was able to see the LH O/I/X classes, today they are gone... very sad...

ThorstenCGN Apr 8, 2005 4:13 am

No award availability
 

Originally Posted by Meikrosoft
Unfortunately it seems to be that AUA has stopped the access to award availability through their site today. Until yesterday I was able to see the LH O/I/X classes, today they are gone... very sad...

Maybe LH/ AUA wants to prevent us from efficiently taking advantage of our miles?

CanFlyboy Apr 8, 2005 10:17 am

Confossed??
 

Originally Posted by Academic
Welcome to FT. Lonic_nz
The different letters refer to different fare buckets. So on AC, for example, Y,M,U,B,H are all upgradeable with SWUs. For domestic fares, the letters translate into Freedom, Latitude, Fun, Tango, etc., with mutliple buckets in each of those categories. The fare price declines from left to right.


How does the word FREEDOM become the letter YMUor B. Was there actually a word associated with each letter? If so, where can we see these links.

CFB

Nobbi Apr 8, 2005 10:27 am


Originally Posted by Meikrosoft
Unfortunately it seems to be that AUA has stopped the access to award availability through their site today. Until yesterday I was able to see the LH O/I/X classes, today they are gone... very sad...


I'm in Germany on my way back to the US. Was just checking award availability on LH and noticed the same problem on the AUA query.

Does anyone have any actual info on this problem? Is it a temporary problem or a real issue????

If so, any suggestions on getting O/I/X availability?

Academic Apr 8, 2005 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by CanFlyboy
How does the word FREEDOM become the letter YMUor B. Was there actually a word associated with each letter? If so, where can we see these links.CFB

FREEDOM/FUN etc. were AC's (ex) proprietary names for different types of fare. This was their "simplified" system. However, beneath that level, each of those fares contained a number of different fare buckets with different prices and slightly different rules. For the average customer it didn't make too much difference, but for the folks around here it could be important. So Freedom was synonomous with Y. Check the sticky at the top for more info.

KVS Apr 8, 2005 10:00 pm

Fare Basis Vs. Booking Class Vs. Friendly Fare Name
 

Originally Posted by CanFlyboy
How does the word FREEDOM become the letter YMUor B. Was there actually a word associated with each letter? If so, where can we see these links.

There appears to be some confusion between the various terms, associated with fares and bookings. To summarize:
  • Fare Basis is a 1-8 character code, e.g. "G1TGA"
    • Friendly Fare Names are used used by the AC to refer to the various fare [codes]. For example "G1TGA" is also known as "Tango"
  • Booking Class is a 1-letter code, which is always the 1st letter of the Fare Basis, e.g. "G"
  • Class of Service/Cabin Class is the physical space in the aircraft, e.g. Economy or Business

So the sequence is:
Fare Basis --> Booking Class --> Class of Service/Cabin Class

lmckenna Apr 9, 2005 5:21 am


Originally Posted by Nobbi
If so, any suggestions on getting O/I/X availability?


I second this... I was using KVS to check availability but ive noticed the award classes are now removed... Anyone any idea when or if it will come back?

KVS Apr 9, 2005 12:17 pm

*A Award Classes
 

Originally Posted by Meikrosoft
Until yesterday I was able to see the LH O/I/X classes, today they are gone... very sad...

Very sad indeed.

As of a few days ago, the following *A award classes are no longer shown through the use of the AUA/*A option:
  • LH: O/I/X
  • SK: -/I/X
  • TG: O/I/X
  • RG: O/I/X
However, the following award classes are still shown:
  • OS: -/I/X
  • BD: -/I/X
  • LO: -/I/X
Given the fact that it is not just LH's classes that are no longer shown, it is likely that this was an 'initiative' of the AUA itself...

KVS Apr 15, 2005 7:38 pm

Version 1.4.0 Released
 
Version 1.4.0 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download.

New Features:
  • Detailed segment info and real-time flight operational info for airlines hosted in Amadeus [e.g. LH/OS/AF/BA/BD/IB/SK/LO] such as gate departure time, delay info, take-off time, landing time, etc.
  • Fare Listings
  • Amadeus Timetable

New 2-Tier Registration/Access Policy:
  • Please click here for details.

Links:

PreferBulkhead Apr 15, 2005 7:44 pm

Please ignore ... PBCAK!!

--
PB

KVS Apr 15, 2005 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by PreferBulkhead
I clicked and nothing happened!!! :confused: :o :cool:

Wow, you are fast! :). The link should work -- try disabling any pop-up blockers as it will open in a new window. In any case, I will send you a PM about it very soon...

BlondeBomber Apr 16, 2005 11:10 am

Thanks KVS! ^ :cool:

ziplaufwerk Apr 16, 2005 12:02 pm

Old Kvs
 
Does anybody still have the OLD KVS tool (v1.39)? Please send me a private message as the new tool doesn't work on my computer at all.

parnel Apr 17, 2005 12:23 am

Mine works just fine

TerryK Apr 22, 2005 9:06 am

v1.4.0 is a great improvement. Thanks KVS! ^ ^ ^ I am happy to send in additional contribution. :)

KVS Apr 22, 2005 4:37 pm

Warning Re: Outdated Versions of the Tool
 
As a reminder to everyone: Please do not use (or share) any outdated versions of the Tool, as doing so can, potentially, jeopardize the continued availability of the underlying data sources, and the Tool for everyone.

PreferBulkhead Apr 22, 2005 6:06 pm


Originally Posted by KVS
I suspect the nature of your 'problem' may be related to the new registration policy ;). In any case, feel free to PM me with more details.

As a reminder to everyone: Please do not use (or share) any outdated versions of the Tool, as doing so can, potentially, jeopardize the availability of the underlying data sources.

I do hope folks heed your advise KVS ... your time and your tool are both valuable assets and I personally would hate to see it compromised!

KVS rules!

--

PB

landrew Apr 23, 2005 5:42 pm

Both of the links in this message seem to lead to other messages and not to any more information or download of KVS' availability tool. What gives? Popup blocking is not the problem, I've canceled it. I have no problem with the registration policy that I know of, I can't even see what it is!

KVS Apr 23, 2005 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by landrew
Both of the links in this message seem to lead to other messages and not to any more information or download of KVS' availability tool. What gives? Popup blocking is not the problem, I've canceled it. I have no problem with the registration policy that I know of, I can't even see what it is!

Did you try this one?: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...20#post2804833
It should bring you to the beginning of this thread and a section entitled [How To Download]

KVS Apr 25, 2005 11:46 pm

KVS Availability Tool - UA
 
  • UA Booking Classes Displayed (award/upgrade classes are in green):
    • Apollo: ITN
      • F C Y B M E U H Q V W S T K L G P A D Z (US Domestic)
      • F C D Y B M H Q V W S T K L G P A Z E U (Intl)
    • Sabre: ITN
      • F C Y B M E U H Q V W S T K L (US Domestic)
      • F C D Y B M H Q V W S T K L (Intl)
    • Galileo
      • A B C D E F G H K L M P Q S T U V W Y Z (Domestic)
      • A B C D E F G H K L M Q S T U V W Y Z (Intl)
    • SNT: Awards/StarAlliance
      • FS=O=XF CS=I=XC YS=X=XY
    • ITA: Upgrades/UA
      • F P A C D Z Y B E M U H Q V W T S K L G NF XF=O NC XC=I NY XY=X

        NF: First Upgrade
        NC: Business Upgrade

        XF: First Award
        XC: Business Award
        XY: Economy Award
        NY: Economy Award (UA MP 1K Status Members Only)

KVS Apr 25, 2005 11:47 pm

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KVS Apr 25, 2005 11:52 pm

KVS Availability Tool - NW
 
NW Booking Classes Displayed (award/upgrade classes are in green):
  • Apollo: ITN
    • P F Y B M H Q V L T K (Domestic)
    • J C Z I Y B M H Q V L T K (Intl)
  • Sabre: ITN
    • P F Y B M H Q V L T K (Domestic)
    • J C Z I Y B M H Q V L T K (Intl)
  • Galileo: ETR
    • (TBD)
  • Worldspan: ITN
    • P F Y B M H Q V L T K (Domestic)
    • J C Z I Y B M H Q V L T K (Intl)
  • ITA: Awards/SkyTeam
    • CS=A/D CA=RN YS=MN YA=Y

KVS Apr 25, 2005 11:53 pm

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DJMeatBall Apr 26, 2005 12:00 am

the only ones that really matter are Z (discounted biz class and full fare Y up to biz class mileage upgrades), D (award business class) and A (award first class).

I think I've seen Z on ITN before. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were a way to easily see D & A availability?

KVS Apr 26, 2005 12:28 am

KVS Availability Tool - DL
 
DL Booking Classes Displayed (Award/Upgrade classes are in green):
  • WSpan: ITN
    • F A Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - F)
    • C D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - C)
    • J D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Intl)
  • Apollo: ITN
    • F A Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - F)
    • C D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - C)
    • J D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Intl)
  • Sabre: ITN
    • F A Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - F)
    • C D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - C)
    • J D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Intl)
  • Galileo: ETR
    • F A Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - F)
    • C D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Domestic - C)
    • J D S I Y B M H Q K L U T (Intl)
  • DLM: Awards/SkyTeam
    • FS=R CS=O YS=N
    • FM=Medium F Award CM=Medium C Award YM=Medium Y Award
    • FA=High F Award CA=High C Award YA=High Y Award

KVS Apr 26, 2005 12:29 am

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Blank Sheet Apr 26, 2005 6:05 am


Originally Posted by DJMeatBall
I think I've seen Z on ITN before. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were a way to easily see D & A availability?

and R

nytracon Apr 26, 2005 7:20 am

And "I" of course!!!!!

sllevin Apr 26, 2005 8:30 am

I'm a bit surprised J/C aren't on the list as well....nothing usually very secret about those two.

Steve

Vulcan Apr 26, 2005 9:02 am


Originally Posted by nytracon
And "I" of course!!!!!

Agreed that "I" is critical. In order to upgrade a "B" fare internationally, there must be availability in the "I" bucket. "D" is for International Award in WBC. Typically if there is D, there is I, and almost always, D < I.

fromYXU Apr 26, 2005 9:17 am

This is a great tool but lack access to NW hidden fares, just like any other tools available right now. I use it all the time to look at loads.

The price is also right! :)

sergeic Apr 26, 2005 10:41 am

Any tool out there for I availability?
 
After the fall of WPAA lister and availability tool v1.64 (smiley), is there any way to look at I availability, or D?

slippahs Apr 26, 2005 11:02 am


Originally Posted by sergeic
After the fall of WPAA lister and availability tool v1.64 (smiley), is there any way to look at I availability, or D?

Yes, use nwa.com and search with the mileage upgrade feature.

SkyTeam777 Apr 26, 2005 2:37 pm

so award buckets are no longer visible?

KVS Apr 26, 2005 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by sllevin
I'm a bit surprised J/C aren't on the list as well....nothing usually very secret about those two.

Do those classes only apply to certain NW routes?

themicah Apr 26, 2005 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by KVS
Do those classes only apply to certain NW routes?

Correct. P/F are only for flights where FC is sold (usually within North America including Hawaii). J/C/Z are only flights where WBC is sold (usually to/from/within Europe and Asia). Your tool has no trouble with J/C/Z on appropriate routes.


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