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-   -   KVS Availability Tool (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-tools/319244-kvs-availability-tool.html)

Cheetah_SA Jan 10, 2006 11:44 pm
Originally Posted by KVS
Because Amadeus is their native GDS system (i.e. the system that their res agents would use). However, I am not really sure what do you mean by "doesn't work when I try it" ...
It's not the Amadeus part I'm confused by...it's why the AUA/*A? When I specify that method for a flight from JNB to SYD, for example, it tells me no availability on that day. But any other method shows available flights. (Can't give you the exact message now 'cause I can't access the tool at work - never did solve the firewall issue despite trying the advice in the help section. It's really hard being technologically challenged. :( )

KVS Jan 11, 2006 12:02 am
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
It's not the Amadeus part I'm confused by...it's why the AUA/*A?
Well, that's because the data is provided by the AUA website, and that is the only method that can filter to "All *A airlines".

Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
When I specify that method for a flight from JNB to SYD, for example, it tells me no availability on that day. But any other method shows available flights.
Hmm... If you can replicate the issue, could you pls post the specific city pairs/dates here, so I can take a look at what the difference is. However, if the issue is that the Amadeus method, for example, says "F7 C8 Y5" for a particular QF flight, but the other methods show, say "F9 C9 Y7", then you can assume that the Amadeus results are more accurate/up-to-date.

Cheetah_SA Jan 11, 2006 11:33 am
Originally Posted by KVS
Well, that's because the data is provided by the AUA website, and that is the only method that can filter to "All *A airlines".
But why apply a *A filter when you're looking at OW airlines?

Originally Posted by KVS
Hmm... If you can replicate the issue, could you pls post the specific city pairs/dates here, so I can take a look at what the difference is. However, if the issue is that the Amadeus method, for example, says "F7 C8 Y5" for a particular QF flight, but the other methods show, say "F9 C9 Y7", then you can assume that the Amadeus results are more accurate/up-to-date.
Try JNb/SYD on 26 April. I get the response:
"CRS error:
We were unable to find flights on yout specified dates for all your legs.
Avaliable dates:
Tuesday, 25 April 2006
Thursday, 27 April 2007"

It does the same whether I specify *A or All Airlines.

KVS Jan 11, 2006 11:40 am
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
But why apply a *A filter when you're looking at OW airlines?
Those 2 are the only filters supported by that method. For OW, you would, obviously, need to select "All Airlines".

Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
I get the response: "CRS error:
We were unable to find flights on yout specified dates for all your legs.
This happens when there are no filights around your specified [TIME:] -- just change the TIME field to "(Any)", and it will work...

Dermot Jan 11, 2006 11:48 am
A-class on American
 
KVS tool (INT/CWT) does not seem to find and "A" class allocation (not even A0) for any American flight ex-NRT.

Eg. NRT-SJC, NRT-ORD, NRT-DFW.

A class availabilty is required to book 1st class RTW sequments on Oneworld airlines.

KVS Jan 11, 2006 12:12 pm
Originally Posted by Dermot
KVS tool (INT/CWT) does not seem to find and "A" class allocation (not even A0) for any American flight ex-NRT.
Indeed -- that's really odd :confused:. Just tried it, and A-class shows-up on all other routes, except ex-NRT, e.g.:

[KVS Availability Tool - Apollo: ITN/CWT/US-NY]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
MON  01 May 2006

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -----------------------------------------------------
AA        142    JFK  08:30    LHR  20:25    777  0  F7 A2 J7 D7 I0 Y7 B7 W7 H7 K7 S7 G7 M7 O0 L7 V7 N7 Q7
[KVS Availability Tool - Apollo: ITN/CWT/US-NY]
Code:
NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
DFW  Dallas Metro / Dallas/Ft Worth TX US = DAL DFW [KDFW]
MON  01 May 2006

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -----------------------------------------------
AA        176    NRT  12:40    DFW  10:00    777  0  F7 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 K7 M7 W7 H7 L7 V7 S7 Q7 N7 O7
Edited to Add: See the following thread on the AA board for more info on this issue: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513470

Cheetah_SA Jan 11, 2006 12:25 pm
Originally Posted by KVS
Those 2 are the only filters supported by that method. For OW, you would, obviously, need to select "All Airlines".
Obviously. So we agree that it is a little perverse to actually specify AUA/*A in the FAQ related to OW carriers? :) Sorry that I wasn't being clear about my confusion with that statement in the FAQ.

Originally Posted by KVS
This happens when there are no filights around your specified [TIME:] -- just change the TIME field to "(Any)", and it will work...
Aha! ^ Thanks.. I was assuming 00:00 would detect anything during the day. (And didn't even notice the other choice above it.) Undone by my own limiting assumption! :p

KVS Jan 11, 2006 12:54 pm
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
So we agree that it is a little perverse to actually specify AUA/*A in the FAQ related to OW carriers?
Well, a little bit; but then again, one should forget about common sense logic when entering the airline world :) ... Having said that, the statement remains correct.

KVS Jan 12, 2006 12:03 pm
"A" Booking Class on AA's NRT & PVG Routes
 
For some unknown reason, AA hides A class on their NRT/PVG routes: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513470

inlanikai Jan 13, 2006 7:10 am
As someone pointed out in another forum, A Class NRT/PVG AA flight inventory is viewable on ExpertFlyer .

ExpertFlyer Voice Jan 13, 2006 8:56 am
Originally Posted by mars1982
Hi,


where can i find D,W on AC

i don't seem to find it using the availability tool.

Thanks.
ExpertFlyer has announced today the viewability of AC's D and W classes. These are hidden classes and must be entered into the Class box. I class is also available as an unhidden class along with the other inventory.

TravelingDuo Jan 13, 2006 1:33 pm
Question re booking classes
 
If I read the booking classes for AA correctly, the class for upgrading with miles is "C". Yet, when I look in any of the KVS bookings, I do not see "C" listed anywhere. First, am I right that this is a C class and, if so, why can't I see them in KVS. I used to see them in the "old tool" Galileo-CRS(?). Thanks.

KVS Jan 13, 2006 1:45 pm
Originally Posted by TravelingDuo
If I read the booking classes for AA correctly, the class for upgrading with miles is "C". Yet, when I look in any of the KVS bookings, I do not see "C" listed anywhere. First, am I right that this is a C class and, if so, why can't I see them in KVS. I used to see them in the "old tool" Galileo-CRS(?). Thanks.
Yes, you're right -- it is the C class. However, AA made it a hidden class, and, therefore, it is not supported by the KVS Tool. For a listing of supported AA booking classes, please see the chart at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...49#post4148749

KVS Jan 15, 2006 12:06 pm
Version 1.5.0 Released
 
Version 1.5.0 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for [Download].

Based on users' suggestions & feedback, a number of new features have been introduced. More info will be posted shortly.

k22 Jan 16, 2006 7:16 am
Great job KVS! ^ ^ ^ ^

Paby Jan 16, 2006 1:00 pm
Thanks KVS! One question though, where did the Clear button go?

KVS Jan 16, 2006 2:42 pm
Originally Posted by Paby
One question though, where did the Clear button go?
That button was moved to the toolbar, located in the upper right-hand corner.

enviroian Jan 16, 2006 6:33 pm
Does anyone know how I can view HP generated PNR's on this tool? I've tried all four options given, but to no avail.

Thanks!

Ian

J.Edward Jan 17, 2006 8:10 am
Any way to access SHARES or EASYR?
 
KVS,

As always thank you for the great program.

I was wondering if it would be possible to access CO's SHARES or EASYR (or I guess WORLD if they ever get it up) system via the tool. I like the fact that Amadeus shows CO's R bucket, but the utility of the program would be greatly increased if it could show E, F, M, G (the reward classes).

Thanks!

rbessler Jan 17, 2006 12:30 pm
The website appears to be down right now... anyone having any luck accessing it?

KVS Jan 17, 2006 1:20 pm
Originally Posted by rbessler
The website appears to be down right now... anyone having any luck accessing it?
Just tried it, and the download website is working fine...

KVS Jan 17, 2006 5:11 pm
Originally Posted by J.Edward
As always thank you for the great program.

I was wondering if it would be possible to access CO's SHARES or EASYR (or I guess WORLD if they ever get it up) system via the tool. I like the fact that Amadeus shows CO's R bucket, but the utility of the program would be greatly increased if it could show E, F, M, G (the reward classes).
Well, the Tool does provide access to data from all 5 major GDS systems. There are tens of proprietary systems like "SHARES", and they are all for those airlines' internal use only... The real issue is that CO had decided not show their award booking classes, and there is really not much I can do to change their mind ;).

jonnye Jan 18, 2006 8:58 am
Whats the best Option to use for checking LY (ELAL) Fares? I realise they use the 'Carmel' system but i thought they started to share info with Sabre?

P.S, Sent you contribution today!!

jonnye

GUWonder Jan 18, 2006 9:08 am
Originally Posted by jonnye
Whats the best Option to use for checking LY (ELAL) Fares? I realise they use the 'Carmel' system but i thought they started to share info with Sabre?

P.S, Sent you contribution today!!

jonnye
Travelocity pulls up fares loaded in Sabre. Arkia and El Al both show up there. Just use flexible dates for the route of your choosing and then select the carrier of your choice, and it should work like it just did for me. Unfortunately, selecting LY or Arkia Israel is not an option in the pull down menu there to just get LY's fares and strike out the rest. But it still works for me to find the various lowest LY fares loaded into Sabre.

KVS Jan 18, 2006 10:25 am
Originally Posted by jonnye
Whats the best Option to use for checking LY (ELAL) Fares? I realise they use the 'Carmel' system but i thought they started to share info with Sabre?
Originally Posted by GUWonder
Unfortunately, selecting LY or Arkia Israel is not an option in the pull down menu there to just get LY's fares and strike out the rest.
LY is supported by the KVS Tool, all you have to do is select "Sabre: Fares", and enter "LY" in the airline field; I don't know which route(s) does IZ fly, so I can't check...

[KVS Availability Tool - Sabre: Fares/UK-GBP]
Code:
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
TLV  Tel Aviv Yafo Metro / Tel Aviv Yafo Ben Gurion Int'l IL = SDV TLV [LLBG]
WED  01 Feb 2006

Carrier          From          To  Fare      Cur    Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- ----------
LY              LON            TLV  223.00  GBP    LLIP1M
LY              LON            TLV  253.00  GBP    NLIP1M
LY              LON            TLV  288.00  GBP    LKIP1M
LY              LON            TLV  303.00  GBP    HLIP2M
LY              LON            TLV  318.00  GBP    NKIP1M
LY              LON            TLV  343.00  GBP    BLIP3M
LY              LON            TLV  353.00  GBP    LHIP1M
LY              LON            TLV  368.00  GBP    HKIP2M
LY              LON            TLV  383.00  GBP    NHIP1M
LY              LON            TLV  408.00  GBP    BKIP3M
LY              LON            TLV  433.00  GBP    HHIP2M
LY              LON            TLV  433.00  GBP    MLPX6M
LY              LON            TLV  473.00  GBP    BHIP3M
LY              LON            TLV  498.00  GBP    MKPX6M
LY              LON            TLV  563.00  GBP    MHPX6M
LY              LON            TLV  628.00  GBP    M2RT3M
LY              LON            TLV  715.00  GBP    Y1
LY              LON            TLV  848.00  GBP    ZEE2M
LY              LON            TLV  958.00  GBP    IEE3M
LY              LON            TLV  1063.00  GBP    C2
LY              LON            TLV  1228.00  GBP    C2IL
LY              LON            TLV  1668.00  GBP    A2
LY              LON            TLV  2066.00  GBP    F2
LY              LON            TLV  2644.00  GBP    F

GUWonder Jan 18, 2006 10:27 am
Thanks for that.

IZ had fares loaded in Sabre/Travelocity for TLV-BOM.

infoworks Jan 18, 2006 1:43 pm
The upograde for my laptop won't work. It wants all new registration codes. I have PMd you. Help please!

KVS Jan 18, 2006 3:45 pm
<Duplicate Post Deleted>

KVS Jan 18, 2006 3:51 pm
Originally Posted by infoworks
The upograde for my laptop won't work. It wants all new registration codes. I have PMd you. Help please!
YGPM -- issue resolved :).

infoworks Jan 18, 2006 4:10 pm
Hi

Yes thanks...great service! Great Tool!

PreferBulkhead Jan 18, 2006 5:13 pm
Originally Posted by KVS
YGPM -- issue resolved :).
Hmm I thought upgrades did not need to have new keys :) ;)

KVS Jan 18, 2006 7:39 pm
Originally Posted by PreferBulkhead
Hmm I thought upgrades did not need to have new keys :) ;)
Normally, you don't need a new key when upgrading to a newer version. However, there are a few users who had installed the withdrawn V1.4.9 during the short time it was available for download, and they will require a new key.

fumitani Jan 20, 2006 8:13 am
KVS i get an error code 12029 can not connect

KVS Jan 20, 2006 11:42 am
Originally Posted by fumitani
KVS i get an error code 12029 can not connect
Just added a section on this error to the FAQ: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...74#post2804874

KVS Jan 21, 2006 2:48 pm
Upgrade Reminder: V1.5.0
 
Please note that if you are an existing KVS Availability Tool user, and still have not yet upgraded to Version 1.5.0, you should do so soon, as all previous versions will expire shortly.

Hans Dampf Jan 22, 2006 12:55 am
LX 169 - Jan 27, 2006
 
Could someone with the KVS tool check the booking situation on LX 169 - NRT-ZRH on Jan 27, 2006 in all classes?

I was told by an LX agent that Y is heavily overbooked but on the LX web page it still showes Y9, C9, F4 :eek:

CO BNE Jan 22, 2006 1:06 am
Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
Could someone with the KVS tool check the booking situation on LX 169 - NRT-ZRH on Jan 27, 2006 in all classes?

I was told by an LX agent that Y is heavily overbooked but on the LX web page it still showes Y9, C9, F4 :eek:
I checked with Amadeus: AUA as recommended:

[KVS Availability Tool - Amadeus: AUA]
Code:
NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
FRI  27 Jan 2006

LX        169    NRT  11:00    ZRH  15:55    343  0  F1 A1 C9 D9 Z9 J9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 U9 G9 Q9 K9 V9 L9 W9 T9
This also matches up with results from EF...not sure what the agent was on but i'll have what they were having.

Hans Dampf Jan 22, 2006 1:48 am
Thank you CO BNE for your help. Well, I guess that's gonna be a hard time for me :(

9 hours by bus (over night)...
1 1/2 hours by train...
12 hours by plane...
2 hours by plane...
2 hours by city bus..

Uuuuurgs...

PreferBulkhead Jan 22, 2006 7:41 am
For future travel maybe a good thing to download the KVS tool for yourself ? ;)

gpan Jan 24, 2006 8:12 pm
Does this mean the flight is fully booked, with 2 seats salable / upgradable in F only?

DL 1144 ATL 12:00 TPA 13:22 763 0 F2 A0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0


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