I am searching SA awards, and they show FS@ CS@ YS@.

Looking on the FAQ, this means On Request but for NH/OZ only. So seeing as i'm getting this for SA is it something different, or has SA gone On Request too?

Pls read the FAQ to the end :):
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...3#post10478003

Pls refer to http://FAQ.KVSTool.com/

Damn, I did read the FAQ and saw that but for some reason I didnt read the "non" infront of NH/OZ. :rolleyes:

I'm trying to book a trip PVG to YYZ on April 13, 2009. And would like to check the I class availability. AC88 non-stop is showing on the AC.com website but I cannot see it in KVS. I can't see it in seatcounter.com either. Why is that? Yes, I know I can call AC but I would rather do all the homework before calling them.

That flight is not scheduled to operated on Mondays:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]

So I presume there is a bug in AC's website. I can see that flight in their website.

You may wish to raise this question in the dedicated AC forum ...

It seems that they have fixed that in AC.com now. It is not showing that flight any more. So KVS is more accurate than AC.com^

Impossible to see the fares between PAR (or LON) and Asia transitting US
for example CDG-EWG-HKG (which is a regular flight with CO and can be booked on Co website) can not be listed on Sabre fares/DotRes or Zuj (independantly of the oct. 13 issue )
pop up with "data source error" and "no fares found"
any solution?
thanks

CO does not publish any fares between PAR and HKG; there are 2 separate fares: PAR-EWR & EWR-HKG.

These fares are published on their site, in one fare with a stop and I have yet booked with AF agency. So, is it only available for professionnals?

2) What is exactly IATA fares included in the last updated version?
The maximum fare available?



[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]
3) I do not find RTW fares.

No, the site is using 2 separate fares as I have described above.

Generic YY fares are published by the IATA on behalf of its members and are applicable to flights of all participating carriers. To book a ticket using these fares, it would be best to use the services of an experienced Travel Agent, who will be able to confirm whether a desired carrier actually participates in that fare and the booking class(es) to be used.

RTW fares are not currently supported.

H class and Air Canada Flight passes
 

Hi all. I'm contemplating purchasing some flight passes from Air Canada, but i'm concerned about ticket availability. The terms of the passes state that they are H booking class tickets. I'm not quite sure if that's good or bad. When I look up flights for today, I see this, but I'm unsure what it means.
Could someone help me understand what I may be getting myself into!

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

YYT St John's NL CA [CYYT]
EWR New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]
WED 15 Oct 2008

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ----
-> AC/QK 8640 YYZ 18:30 EWR 20:00 CRA 0 J4 C4 Z4 Y9 M9 U9 B9 H8 V7 Q7 L5 A0 S0 R9 K8 N7 G7 P5 E0 T0

You've asked several questions. First I will explain what this means:


It means the following.

"At this instant:

J4 - AC is willing to sell 4 seats for the Executive Class cabin, and it is willing to selling them at the J fare level.
C4 - AC is willing to sell 4 seats in Executive Class at the C fare level.
Z4 - AC is willing to sell 4 seats in Executive Class at the Z fare level.

Y9 - AC is willing to sell 9 or more seats for the Economy Class cabin, and it is willing to sell them at the Y fare level.
M9 - will sell 9 or more at the M fare level
U9 - and so on
B9 - and so on
H8 - AC is willing to sell 8 seats at the H fare level
V7 - or 7 seats at the V level
Q7 L5 A0 S0 - and so on until it will not sell any at A or S fare level.
R9 K8 N7 G7 P5 E0 T0 - and so on

and all this could change at any instant."

Note that they will not tell you the number over 9 in a cabin or a fare level.

Now, are H fares good or bad? The AC fare structure in North America looks like this:


J C Z - Executive
Y M U - Latitude
B H V Q L A S - Tango Plus
R K N G P E T - Tango

Within each of the four categories the fare rules are identical. The fares get cheaper as you move to the right, and the number of seats available for sale will not increase as you move to the right within each row.

In my experience the numbers of seats available tend to be equal for the last two rows (B=R, H=K, V=N) etc.

H is the second highest Tango Plus fare level, so essentially the second highest of the nonrefundable fares. It is a fairly high fare level and availability should be good. You might have trouble getting on a popular flight on short notice but that's about it.

Thanks
 

Ok, so Flight Passes might be a good option.

Thanks for the info:)

Problem retrieving AA fares using Fares/ZUJ
 

When trying to retreive AA fares using Fares/ZUJ (forced to HK) get error message
"Unable to retrieve Fares" ZUJI Hong Kong

Also is there any way to look up booking class availabilty of X and R for AA?

Answered below

You have the old version - upgrade to 3.3.1 - Zuji is not present any longer in the new version.

No -- pls see http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php#Classes for currently-supported classes.

[QUOTE=zman;10536386]When trying to retreive AA fares using Fares/ZUJ (forced to HK) get error message
"Unable to retrieve Fares" ZUJI Hong Kong

I missed the 3.3.1 upgrade notice
New Fares/ZVN with POS CA works

I am aware.
Looking for a future enhancement capability.

I am very disappointed by this new version to find fares:
When I try to find the fares (Fares/TVN) on PAR TLV with AF, all the economic fares are not displayed (no R no B no S) and no business fare at all!
These booking classes are shown on ITN but you can't find the fare...
Hope you will adjust this issue...

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

Those fares will be displayed if you activate the [Max] option:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

Thanks but what about biz fares?

New Fares/TVN not listing all fares
 

Fares/TVN will not list all fares even if checking off max
It will not list all the coach fares, no business and no first in many cases.


An example asing for max:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

BOS Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
TPE Taipei Chiang Kai Shek TW [RCTP]
RT Oct-Sep

Carrier From To Fare Cur Expiry Min Max Fare Basis
AA BOS TPE 942 USD 6 6M WLXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 990 USD 6 6M WLWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1077 USD 6 6M MLXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1082 USD 6 6M WKXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1126 USD 6 6M MLWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1131 USD 6 6M WKWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1228 USD 6 6M WHXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1277 USD 6 6M MKXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1297 USD 6 6M WHWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1345 USD 6 6M MKWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1423 USD 6 6M MHXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1499 USD 6 6M HLXRTCX
AA BOS TPE 1520 USD 6 6M MHWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1558 USD 6 6M HLWRTCX
AA BOS TPE 1651 USD 6 6M KLXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1735 USD HLOWCX
AA BOS TPE 1769 USD 6 6M KLWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1860 USD 6 6M KKXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 1978 USD 6 6M KKWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 2102 USD 4 12M KLXS
AA BOS TPE 2142 USD 6 6M KHXPX6M
AA BOS TPE 2220 USD 4 12M KLS
AA BOS TPE 2255 USD 6 6M HKXRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2259 USD 6 6M KHWPX6M
AA BOS TPE 2305 USD 12M BLEX
AA BOS TPE 2320 USD 4 12M KKXS
AA BOS TPE 2326 USD 6 6M HKWRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2425 USD 6 6M HHXRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2446 USD 4 12M KKS
AA BOS TPE 2495 USD 6 6M HHWRTCX
AA BOS TPE 2526 USD 4 12M KHXS
AA BOS TPE 2642 USD 12M BHEX

Why is there a discrepancy in the fare?
 

I was looking at the U fare of AC PVG-YYZ return. All in Canadian dollars, departing Apr 13, 09, returning May 14, 09.

KVS gave the following results:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
However, in the AC website, when I punched in the dates, I get this result:

I have the U-fare highlighted in Red. Why is there a discrepancy? TIA.

More on the fares glitch
 

A simple search query using the Sabre / TVN option for a r/t business class fare on BD, MANLAS returns only economy fares - even with the max box checked.

Using Fares / DotRes is worse still as this produces the error message that more than one match has been found for the city entered.

However, the system storing ANA membership # and PIN on the *A awards search is a welcome improvement.

From http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php#FAQ:

# Q: Does the [Sabre: Fares/TVN] Method support Business/First class fares?
# A: This method will return fares for all cabin classes, sorted by price. When an airline has more fares published on a specific route, only the first 40-100 fares will be shown when using this Method. Try activating the [Max] option, or use the [Sabre: Fares/DotRes] Method instead, where a specific cabin class can be specified.

I have just checked, and it appears that AC.com is not calculating the fare correctly:

Thanks, KVS.

How did you get the value ULXCNCA fare to be CNY6660 x 2? And also where did you get the fuel surcharge to be CAD360? (AC website states that the YQ is CAD428.66)

I'm planning to call AC reservation to challenge the calculation. So I need to be armed with this information.

The difference is that you have only the fares for a specific date, not all the fares for a travel, like ZUJ.
It was one of the 2 reasons to register with this tool, the second was RTW fares.
I hope you will resolve these issues.

I support the above 100%.
The loss of being able to pull up all fares with Fares/TVN within a market and then read the fare rules makes the value of KVS greatly diminished. Fares/DotRes is only usefull when u know the exact travel dates.

Will a menu option to list highest fares first solve the issue?

The above calculation was from the ITA engine. Good luck and be sure to post back with the outcome...

These changes are a direct result of the Fares/ZUJ engine being decommissioned...

RIP the Fares/ZUJ Engine: 03 Sep 2006 - 13 Oct 2008.

I see. Then the ITA engine has a wrong currency exchange rate.

CAD has devalued a lot lately and if one way U fare is CNY6660, the fare in CAD would be closer to CAD2320 than CAD2265.

The difference would only be the YQ difference.

I'm looking into the CNY->CAD exchange rate discrepancy that was noted here, and hopefully we can address it soon.

The YQ surcharge in the quoted display was 360 USD, not 360 CAD. The rules for figuring out the amount of these surcharges are complicated, but I think that all of the pricing systems will agree that the surcharge is more like CAD 425 after conversion (it will vary day to day with the exchange rate). For better or worse, our tax breakdown shows amounts in their original currency, and in this case it was USD. Our shorthand is "$" for USD and "C$" for CAD.

Thanks for the reply and the explanation of the YQ surcharge. ^

So I guess I have no case then :o

Back to ZUJ ?
 

If it will be available again, will you back to this better engine than the TVN one?