FlyerTalk Forums - KVS Availability Tool

1. I would like to determine MPM using the KVS tool - can one determine the Aeroplan MPM between 2 different cities? Are the MPM values between any given city pair the same or different for different frequent flyer programs?

IATA publishes the MPM values ... you can buy the 2008 mileage manual from IATA for a mere $3264!

KVS	Sep 7, 2008 9:47 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 10325468)

2. When did Sabre:dotres with Canada as POS become nonfunctional for the KVS tool?

You have already asked the same question at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...postcount=2013

KVS	Sep 7, 2008 9:49 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bernyx (Post 10325682)

Will KE seat availability come up? (to purchase) and would this give you an idea?
(in the systems other that apollo)

Yes.

KVS	Sep 7, 2008 9:52 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 10325475)

It is quite inconvenient to try to find award availability to Switzerland, without having access to such information for LX, using the KVS tool. Do you think a future version of the KVS tool (or the ANA tool) will be able to access such data?

There are technical incompatibility issues with LX's systems that prevent ANA from accessing their award availability. If and when those issues are resolved, LX award availability should become accessible via the KVS Tool.

FlyerGoldII

Sep 9, 2008 6:52 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10326180)

You have already asked the same question at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...postcount=2013

Actually, this is a corollary to that question. That question asked why sabre:dotres with POS identified as Canada, is not working. This question asks when did the specific function of the KVS tool stop working.

PS-Or you can say that I intentionally (with a different wording) ask the same question, to make sure that people who surf the Aeroplan forum are aware of this new change. I did not, by reviewing this thread, see that this had been mentioned before.

FlyerGoldII

Sep 9, 2008 6:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomh009 (Post 10325932)

IATA publishes the MPM values ... you can buy the 2008 mileage manual from IATA for a mere $3264!

So I can presume that relatively economical web based tools such as KVS or expert flyer do not offer that function?

ExpertFlyer Voice

Sep 9, 2008 9:28 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 10341519)

So I can presume that relatively economical web based tools such as KVS or expert flyer do not offer that function?

ExpertFlyer does indeed show the MPM for mileage based fares using our Routing Rules function, here is an example of the result:

---------
Routing Details
Search: Departing YYZ on 10/09/08 for NRT
Fare basis code C7XJEX
Flying AC

MPM FARE - ROUTE NOT APPLICABLE
MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE IS 7708
---------

Here is a sample result for a route based fare:

---------
Routing Details
Search: Departing YYZ on 10/09/08 for NRT
Fare basis code N0M0WCJ
Flying AC

YTO-TYO THU-09OCT08 AC
TAXES/FEES NOT INCLUDED
ADULT FARES
CX FARE FARE C AP MIN/ SEASONS...... MR GI DT
USD BASIS MAX
17 AC 1163.00R N0M0WCJ N | /12M R PA D

SPECIFIED ROUTE: 0301
YTO-YXE/YWG/YQR-YYC/YEA/YYJ-YVR-TYO
YTO-YXE/YWG/YQR-YYC/YEA/YYJ-YVR-OSA(AC/NH/JL)TYO
YTO-YWG-YYC/YEA/YYJ-YVR-TYO
YTO-YWG-YYC/YEA/YYJ-YVR-OSA(AC/NH/JL)TYO
--------

This is in addition to the Fare Rules.

Hope this helps,
EFV

getaround

Sep 9, 2008 9:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 10342268)

EXPERTFLYER - When will you have a refer a buddy discount? :)

virtualtroy

Sep 10, 2008 12:23 pm

Kheria / Agra (AGR) isn't recognised as an airport by the tool.

KVS	Sep 10, 2008 3:44 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 10345703)

Kheria / Agra (AGR) isn't recognised as an airport by the tool.

# Q: Why isn't city X/airport code XXX in the list?
# A: There are 10 000+ IATA airport codes worldwide, of which approx. 2 000+ can be decoded by the Tool for performance reasons. However, you can still check availability and fares to/from XXX by entering the airport code.

sbm12

Sep 11, 2008 7:07 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bernyx (Post 10325682)

Will KE seat availability come up? (to purchase) and would this give you an idea?
(in the systems other that apollo)

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10326187)

Yes.

Are you suggesting that the KE reward buckets are published in the GDSes and are visible through the tool? What buckets are they? They are not listed in the FAQ page of "which tool to use for which airline."

KVS	Sep 12, 2008 12:46 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 10349885)

No, but regular KE availability (which is shown) can be used to make an educated guess as to the likelihood of award seats being available ...

sbm12

Sep 12, 2008 6:11 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10356273)

No, but regular KE availability (which is shown) can be used to make an educated guess as to the likelihood of award seats being available ...

How "educated" is the guess? Obviously if the flight is zeroed out there will be no reward seats, but does a J9, J5 or J2 indicate that there is a chance of reward seats will be available? I understand the overall trend that more open seats means better chances, but is it really that educated a guess, or just a guess?

pmcg	Sep 12, 2008 6:22 am

Skyteam Award availability showing the following error but only in POS: US-NWA not JP-NWA

Datasource Error

"nwa.com"

KVS	Sep 12, 2008 5:09 pm

[ORT: Awards/SkyTeam] Method

The POS setting for this Method must be set to [JP-NWA], until a new version of the KVS Tool is released, as the [US-NWA] POS is temporarily unavailable.

KVS	Sep 12, 2008 5:19 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 10357019)

Availability in J on its own would not tell much, but something like J9 D9 C9 (Vs. J8 D2 C1) would mean a pretty good chance of an award seat being available...

egcarter

Sep 15, 2008 12:36 am

KVS 3.3.0 still has the Skyteam nwa.com datasource error for me when set to US-NWA. It works with JP-NWA. Was this supposed to have been fixed?

Also, I never get HA award availability for with the "Skyteam +AS HA YX" selection, only with explicitly selecting HA only.

KVS	Sep 15, 2008 12:52 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by egcarter (Post 10369899)

KVS 3.3.0 still has the Skyteam nwa.com datasource error for me when set to US-NWA. It works with JP-NWA. Was this supposed to have been fixed?

Yes, V3.3.0 fully supports the new US-NWA engine. Are you sure you are actually running the new version of the Tool?

Quote:

Originally Posted by egcarter (Post 10369899)

Also, I never get HA award availability for with the "Skyteam +AS HA YX" selection, only with explicitly selecting HA only.

Noted -- thanks.

egcarter

Sep 15, 2008 6:24 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10369924)

Yes, V3.3.0 fully supports the new US-NWA engine. Are you sure you are actually running the new version of the Tool?

It's now working using the US-NWA selection. And yes, it says "3.3.0/Platinum" in the header. Didn't work for me last night.

egcarter

Sep 17, 2008 6:23 pm

I'm now getting Datasource Error,

"We're sorry, there was a problem processing this search request (Message 106)" with some SkyTeam Awards queries, such as for EWR-KOA for 21 Oct 2008.

KVS	Sep 17, 2008 10:43 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by egcarter (Post 10385687)

I'm now getting Datasource Error,

"We're sorry, there was a problem processing this search request (Message 106)" with some SkyTeam Awards queries, such as for EWR-KOA for 21 Oct 2008.

The Tool itself is functioning correctly -- the above error message is coming from the US-NWA award search engine.

This query seems to work fine by changing EWR to NYC or using the JP-NWA POS though...

ArizonaGuy

Sep 18, 2008 1:30 am

Is there a reason I can never see any results for AF routes between USA and CDG when searching for SkyTeam awards? Are they not available at all?

onlysuites

Sep 18, 2008 1:34 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArizonaGuy (Post 10387002)

Is there a reason I can never see any results for AF routes between USA and CDG when searching for SkyTeam awards? Are they not available at all?

Even I had this problem a few weeks back. What you can do is search the flights in Sabre and look for O class availability. O is the fare bucket for biz award seats.

KVS	Sep 18, 2008 1:41 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArizonaGuy (Post 10387002)

Is there a reason I can never see any results for AF routes between USA and CDG when searching for SkyTeam awards? Are they not available at all?

It's an issue with the NW engine -- AF flights periodically disappear, but then come back:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - ORT: Awards/SkyTeam/US-NWA]

Code:

NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA

PAR  Paris Metro FR = BVA CDG ORY

WED  01 Oct 2008 / 1 Seat



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------------- 

AF        17     JFK  18:00     CDG  07:30     777  0    CS+ CA-  YS- YA-

CO        56     EWR  18:15     CDG  07:45     777  0    CS- CA+  YS- YA+

AF        19     EWR  19:00     CDG  08:35     343  0    CS- CA-  YS+ YA-

AF        7      JFK  19:00     CDG  08:50     777  0    CS- CA-  YS+ YA-

CO        138    EWR  20:05     CDG  09:40     757  0    CS- CA-  YS- YA+

AF        11     JFK  21:15     CDG  10:45     747  0    CS- CA-  YS+ YA-

CO        54     EWR  21:50     CDG  11:25     757  0    CS- CA-  YS- YA+

AF        9      JFK  22:50     CDG  11:50     777  0    CS+ CA-  YS+ YA-

nabeelj

Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm

KVS vs. ExpertFlyer

I downloaded KVS and also signed up for ExpertFlyer. Before by ExpertFlyer runs out:

Assuming all I need is to see award availability, and assuming I can figure out what classes the various airlines use for award seats/upgrades, is there anything specific I do not have access to in KVS that ExpertFlyer gives me?

Keep in mind I do not need paid fare routing information that I know ExpertFlyer provides but KVS does not.

Thanks!

KVS	Sep 24, 2008 2:04 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nabeelj (Post 10418814)

Assuming all I need is to see award availability, and assuming I can figure out what classes the various airlines use for award seats/upgrades, is there anything specific I do not have access to in KVS that ExpertFlyer gives me?

In terms of award availability:

Available exclusively via KVS Tool:
BA/QF/IB/MA/LA,
LH/US/OS/SK/TP/LO/JK/TK/SQ/NH/OZ/TG/SA/JP/OU/KF,
CO/DL/KL/SU/AM,
HA/YX/FJ
Available exclusively via EF:
LX/CA,
EK/MX

nabeelj

Sep 24, 2008 4:32 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10419452)

In terms of award availability:

Available exclusively via KVS Tool:
BA/QF/IB/MA/LA,
LH/US/OS/SK/TP/LO/JK/TK/SQ/NH/OZ/TG/SA/JP/OU/KF,
CO/DL/KL/SU/AM,
HA/YX/FJ
Available exclusively via EF:
LX/CA,
EK/MX

EK, AC and BA awards are my primary interest, so I guess each does two out of three. However, EK is the most important, so I guess I will keep my ExpertFlyer membership for now.

Out of curiosity, what data does ExpertFlyer have access to that KVS can not get, to get EK award availability?

ExpertFlyer Voice

Sep 24, 2008 7:56 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10419452)

In terms of award availability:

Available exclusively via KVS Tool:
BA/QF/IB/MA/LA,
LH/US/OS/SK/TP/LO/JK/TK/SQ/NH/OZ/TG/SA/JP/OU/KF,
CO/DL/KL/SU/AM,
HA/YX/FJ
Available exclusively via EF:
LX/CA,
EK/MX

And for upgrade availability on EF:

AA - X, R, C
DL - G, V, X, Z
NW - R, U, Z

The complete list is here:
http://www.expertflyer.com/sessionlessClassList.do

ExpertFlyer Voice

Sep 24, 2008 8:06 pm

dupe.

rolov

Sep 30, 2008 8:42 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10287812)

# Q: I am getting "SABRE: FQ-VERIFY SELLING DAT" error message when using the [Sabre: Fares/ZUJ] Method
# A: If you are getting this message on the last day of the current month (e.g. 31st), then this caused by a time difference bug in the ZUJ engine and you should simply try your request in a few hours.
Otherwise, you should check your current system Date, Time, and Time Zone settings to make sure that they are correct.

I think this is causing en error today for RTW search.

SuperFlyBoy

Oct 1, 2008 6:12 am

I'm not able to obtain seatmaps using Amadeus...

KVS	Oct 1, 2008 6:34 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 10451966)

I'm not able to obtain seatmaps using Amadeus...

There are currently no issues with Amadeus Seat Maps -- could you pls be a bit more specific?

SuperFlyBoy

Oct 1, 2008 6:50 am

Checking the following flight, right-click Amadeus, Seatmap-Text: "not supported":

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]

BOM Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Int'l DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
FRI 02 Oct 2009

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------
LH 757 BOM 02:50 FRA 07:45 744 0 F3 A3 J4 C4 D0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 U0

KVS	Oct 1, 2008 7:59 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 10452263)

Perhaps you have clicked on the AI codeshare instead?

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - Amadeus Seat Map: 02 Oct 2008/LH 757/BOM-FRA/744/Y]

Code:

       A   B   C    |   D   E   F   G    |   H   J   K       

33 W   -   -   -                             -   -   -      E

34 W   -   -   -        -   -   -   -        -   -   -       

35 W   -   -   -        -   -   +   -        -   -   -       

36 W   -   +   -        -   +   +   -        -   +   -       

37     -   +   -        -   +   +   -        +   -   -       

38     -   +   -        -   +   +   -        -   +   -       

39     -   +   -        -   +   +   -        -   +   -       

40     -   -   -        -   +   +   -        -   -   -       

41     -   +   +        +   +   +   +        -   -   -       

42     -   -   -        +   -   -   -        -   -   -       

43     -   -   -        -   -   -   -        -   -   -       

44     -   -   -        -   -   -   -        +   -   -       

45     -   -   -        -   -   -   -        -   -   -       

46     -   -   -        -   +   +   -        -   +   -       

47     -   +   -        +   +   +   -        +   -   -       

48     -   +   -        +   +   +   -        -   +   -       

52     -   -   -        -   +   +   +        -   +   -       

53     -   -   -        +   +   +   +        +   +   +       

54         -   -        +   +   +   +        +   +           

55         -   +        +   +   +   -        -   +           

56         -   -        +   -   -   +        -   -           



[+] Available   [-] Unavailable   [W] Wing   [E] Exit Row

SuperFlyBoy

Oct 1, 2008 9:08 am

Nope - could it be internet connectivity?

Edited to Add: OK, now working - I know what happened! - Date was set to *2009*!

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10452770)

Perhaps you have clicked on the AI codeshare instead?

EileenSRN

Oct 6, 2008 6:06 am

I'm confused....(again)

I at a loss here. CO flt 779 IAH-SAT When this flt appears at the top of the list paired with PIT-IAH flt 655 on Oct 11th, it shows lots of availability; but at the bottom of the page it's paired with Flt 2309 PIT-IAH it shows coach sold out. How does this happen?
Eileen

KVS	Oct 6, 2008 6:21 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by EileenSRN (Post 10476705)

Pls see http://www.KVSTool.com/FAQ.php#Factors

bernyx

Oct 6, 2008 6:59 am

C class codes for KE

Can someone tell me which these are for KE, and if any are for award on the KVS tool.

bernyx

Oct 6, 2008 7:01 am

also for northwest , thanks

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