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We do:

As with other web browsers, Membership Credentials, entered in the KVS Tool, are securely stored locally on each user's machine. Under no circumstances are they "routed to KVS servers", so we do not have access to them (nor do we have any need to).

Users also have an option of not saving passwords at all.

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Originally Posted by fuyao (Post 23786214)

As far as I can see no credentials get send to the KVS server.

KVS	Nov 4, 2014 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by davetravels (Post 23785299)

So, is "regular" availability working on the mobile app, or not?

If yes, I saw a recent post that it wasn't working on flights before, something like, 7:00 or 9:00 AM. Is that fixed yet?

I want to sign up (believe it or not, even after all of the recent "stuff"), since I'll need it for a 12 segment / 5 city trip starting on Friday.

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Originally Posted by cmn.jcs (Post 23785527)

Appears to be up. Doesn't appear that the time restriction is fixed.

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Originally Posted by davetravels (Post 23789377)

Please advise: What's the latest on not showing "regular availability" for flights before a certain hour in the morning (7AM? 9AM?) on the mobile companion? - - and I assume that it's still not working on a regular browser / website?!?

I want to sign up before my 12 segment - 5 city trip starting this Friday morning!

Thanx!

Regular Availability continues to be accessible via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion. The current Engine does not support flights that depart earlier than 07:00 [am] and we are currently looking for a solution.

KVS	Nov 4, 2014 12:36 pm

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Originally Posted by lingua101 (Post 23782612)

I just updated to 7.6.1 and now I cannot even check the availability

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Originally Posted by kanada99 (Post 23783480)

how can I set up those to furtehr use the KVS Tool? any help appreciated

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Originally Posted by fuyao (Post 23784080)

So a regular user who doesn't have GTC credentials (lucky me I got some) will have no access to availability and fares anymore?

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Originally Posted by mileageking (Post 23788603)

(I'm a Diamond member with KVS)? Can anyone help search AC R class Nov 6/YYZ-LHR, return Nov 9/LHR-YYZ?

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Originally Posted by jerry_greece (Post 23788740)

What should i do? Anyone please PM

As noted on the KVS Tool Homepage, Diamond-tier Members can currently access Regular Availability via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion.

paulwuk

Nov 4, 2014 12:37 pm

What user agent does the web browser present? Or does KVS Availability* Tool pass itself off as a different browser?

* not really ;)

josephstern

Nov 4, 2014 12:43 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791100)

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We do make it clear that the KVS Tool is a Specialized Web Browser application. We do not have "a tool that scrapes the data" and we have no intention of creating one.

Delusional or (im)plausible deniability?

angatol

Nov 4, 2014 1:08 pm

I used my Specialized Web Browser(tm) to browse the KVS code and find this interesting string in the flightstats scraper code:

Code:

Scraping Policy

This appears to be when KVS scraping tripped flightstats scraper detection and diverted it to this page:
http://www.flightstats.com/fserror/t...violation.html

Code:

Scraping Policy

Thank you for your interest in FlightStats.



Pursuant to the Terms of Use, scraping our site is forbidden.

The KVS special browser seems to translate that page to this:

Code:

[Engine Error] User Request Limit Has Been Reached.

I would have thought a web browser would show what was on that page?

KVS	Nov 4, 2014 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by angatol (Post 23791367)

This appears to be when KVS scraping tripped flightstats scraper detection and diverted it to this page:

Actually, it only appears when a particular user exceeds the website's usage limits.

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Originally Posted by angatol (Post 23791367)

I would have thought a web browser would show what was on that page?

Not since the introduction of "Friendly Error Messages" in Internet Explorer 5 back in 1998:
http://Wiki.MetaWerx.net/wiki/FriendlyHTTPErrorMessage

KVS	Nov 4, 2014 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23791177)

What user agent does the web browser present? Or does KVS Availability* Tool pass itself off as a different browser?

We follow the conventional web browser industry practices in that regard:
http://WebAim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/

paulwuk

Nov 4, 2014 1:59 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791118)

The term "KVS Availability Tool" dates back to 2004 (and the beginning of this Thread).

The current name, which has been in use for many years now, is KVS Tool, which better reflects the diversity of the Tool's current functionality, including an unsurpassed Award/Upgrade Availability coverage.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...ility-tool.png

LatusElAl

Nov 4, 2014 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791171)

As noted on the KVS Tool Homepage, Diamond-tier Members can currently access Regular Availability via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion.

What happened to the "Time" field on the mobile companion?

miffSC

Nov 4, 2014 3:28 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791124)

The [Fares] tab has been restored in the latest version (V7.7.0).

I just upgraded to 7.7.0 and I still don't see the Fares (fare types with the number of seats?) in my KVS tool.

Edit to add:
Nevermind... I just went back and read five pages of the thread. Sad that the main thing I used the tool for (availability) is no longer there.

paulwuk

Nov 4, 2014 4:00 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791520)

We follow the conventional web browser industry practices in that regard:
http://WebAim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/

I believe KVSTool sends the following

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Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Rather than the conventional web browser standard shown on that page linked above, which would be something like

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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) KVSTool/7.7.0

If this is indeed the case (and please feel free to provide the actual string you use), surely the tool is fraudulently (done to trick someone for the purpose of getting something valuable) pretending to be a different web browser? It seems the company that provides the KVSTool web browser claims it's a special custom web browser, and it isn't MSIE 6.

If KVSTool isn't trying to hide itself from the servers your clients are using, why wouldn't it identify itself using the standard HTTP UserAgent string?

seawolf

Nov 4, 2014 4:32 pm

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Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23792359)

I believe KVSTool sends the following

Rather than the conventional web browser standard shown on that page linked above, which would be something like

If this is indeed the case (and please feel free to provide the actual string you use), surely the tool is fraudulently (done to trick someone for the purpose of getting something valuable) pretending to be a different web browser? It seems the company that provides the KVSTool web browser claims it's a special custom web browser, and it isn't MSIE 6.

If KVSTool isn't trying to hide itself from the servers your clients are using, why wouldn't it identify itself using the standard HTTP UserAgent string?

To be fair, according to Fiddler, I do believe KVS is sending a KVS specific user agent when I used it to monitor traffic to British Airways.

JIMCHI

Nov 4, 2014 4:35 pm

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Originally Posted by nux (Post 23779951)

ExpertFlyer does..

Then use it rather than KVS for this purpose.

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