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andymo99 Nov 5, 2014 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791118)
The term "KVS Availability Tool" dates back to 2004 (and the beginning of this Thread).

The current name, which has been in use for many years now, is KVS Tool, which better reflects the diversity of the Tool's current functionality, including an unsurpassed Award/Upgrade Availability coverage.


Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23791671)


Interestingly, my version of the tool (downloaded the latest earlier today) seems to say that it is "KVS Availability Tool."

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...re9271-kvs.jpg

dshafiee Nov 5, 2014 6:11 pm

So ....
 
Mr. KVS,

I have been a Diamond member for many years and now find this tool to be completely useless.

I am not going to use the Mobile Companion as it is clunky at best.

I have not seen one post from you offering a gesture and/or solution to your PAYING customers.

It appears this tool is up a creek without a certain implement.

Please advise me if I am wrong.

zozeppelin Nov 5, 2014 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by YXSflyer (Post 23796747)
Is anyone else getting basically useless fare information? When I search it does show a bunch of fares, but it doesn't show the fare bases. You have to click on one randomly and look up the fare rules, after which it'll display the fare code. In other words, it's impossible to know what kind of fare you're looking at before clicking on it, but in two searches (one Canada - Mexico, one Canada - Germany) all it shows were Y fares anyway.

Yep, it's garbage. At first I thought it was validating (enforcing adv purchase, min/max duration, fare class availability) but I've ruled that out.

Next mole up?

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Corrections:
I messed up assuming rubles but is dinari - fares seem ok.
Does not appear to be validating fares.
As you mention you can send the additional query to get the fare basis. Why this isn't done automatically is interesting, maybe a web browser has limitations?
Appears the routing rules is now not going to KVS but to [redacted], which ironically also isn't working.

qmacker Nov 5, 2014 9:35 pm

No Timetable / only early flights?
 
Sorry if I'm re-posting an earlier question. When i try to do a simple "Timetable" search, for example SFO-ORD, the KVS Tool only shows me the earlier flights in the day, nothing later. Doesn't matter if I change the "Time" field, I still get only the earlier flights in the day.

There are plenty of flights from San Francisco to Chicago departing after 6-10 AM Pacific. Why are they not showing up?

lingua101 Nov 5, 2014 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by dshafiee (Post 23798703)
Mr. KVS,

I have been a Diamond member for many years and now find this tool to be completely useless.

I am not going to use the Mobile Companion as it is clunky at best.

I have not seen one post from you offering a gesture and/or solution to your PAYING customers.

It appears this tool is up a creek without a certain implement.

Please advise me if I am wrong.


I am with you on this. Same feeling.

lingua101 Nov 5, 2014 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by fuyao (Post 23794587)

But @KVS, let me be clear, if it is the case (I'm not saying it is) you are creating a product that allows users to break the terms and conditions of web / data / ... providers you MUST inform the users that they are breaking the law by using your tool, otherwise you are breaking the law!

I am very shock on this. I have been paying KVS for the past 3 years not knowingly that I have "crack" something, until he sent me the instruction on how to get GTC account.

I was so shock that I have to "crack" something to gain access for some tools that I have been paying for it.

This is like paying for a software and later on the creator tells me that I need to hack something so I can properly use for it :(

KVS Nov 5, 2014 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by fuyao (Post 23794587)
I think we can end the debate

We think so too.


Originally Posted by lingua101 (Post 23794199)
I just renew my Diamond for another year. And there is no warning that I will not get the same services that I have enjoyed for the past 3 years!!!

My requirement is very simple, I just need to check flight availability and timetable. This is the main reason I DO pay for the service.

Now I cannot do this anymore. Well, KVS may argue that I can do it via mobile apps, but this is very hard to read and use.


Originally Posted by dshafiee (Post 23798703)
I am not going to use the Mobile Companion as it is clunky at best.

Could you please clarify what exactly do you mean by "hard to read and use" / "clunky"?


Originally Posted by zozeppelin (Post 23798765)
fares seem ok.

Indeed.


Originally Posted by zozeppelin (Post 23798765)
Does not appear to be validating fares.

Which Rule(s) do you believe are not being validated?


Originally Posted by zozeppelin (Post 23798765)
which ironically also isn't working.

All Fare & Routing Rules options continue to function normally.


Originally Posted by YXSflyer (Post 23796747)
When I search it does show a bunch of fares, but it doesn't show the fare bases. You have to click on one randomly and look up the fare rules, after which it'll display the fare code. In other words, it's impossible to know what kind of fare you're looking at before clicking on it, but in two searches (one Canada - Mexico, one Canada - Germany) all it shows were Y fares anyway.

The [Fares/GOL] Engine (which is currently in Beta) lists the ~40 lowest published Fares for the requested route (and carrier, if specified).

To retrieve the Fare Basis Code for a Fare you need to double-click the desired Fare Item(s).


Originally Posted by qmacker (Post 23799441)
Sorry if I'm re-posting an earlier question. When i try to do a simple "Timetable" search, for example SFO-ORD, the KVS Tool only shows me the earlier flights in the day, nothing later. Doesn't matter if I change the "Time" field, I still get only the earlier flights in the day.

It is a known issue with the [Timetable] Engine, which we are currently looking into.

In the meantime, please specify carrier preference(s) to narrow the results.


Originally Posted by kanada99 (Post 23797099)
I am Diamond however availibility i am una to search....

Please contact us via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

zozeppelin Nov 5, 2014 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23799573)
Indeed.


Which Rule(s) do you believe are not being validated?


All Fare & Routing Rules options continue to function normally.

Fare Method: Not working for domestic fares. It also is not finding the lowest available fare.

Routing Rules: "The system was unable to locate a matching fare" for every fare I would describe as not working.

Validated as in ensuring departure date fits within effective window, duration is longer than minimum stay require yet shorter than maximum, and that the fare class of the fare basis is available on the given day and today's date would meet advance purchase requirements. Doing that is actually undesirable as it filters results.

javabytes Nov 5, 2014 11:56 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23791118)
The term "KVS Availability Tool" dates back to 2004 (and the beginning of this Thread).

The current name, which has been in use for many years now, is KVS Tool, which better reflects the diversity of the Tool's current functionality, including an unsurpassed Award/Upgrade Availability coverage.

http://i.imgur.com/kNT5uHR.jpg

mmff Nov 6, 2014 2:08 am

Can anyone tell me the current loads on DL123 in Nov, 10 2014?

If this is not the right place to ask, please move my question to the right place. I know there is a specific thread for these requests on LH but I could not find one for DL.

Thanks!

KVS Nov 6, 2014 5:44 am


Originally Posted by mmff (Post 23800052)
Can anyone tell me the current loads on DL123 in Nov, 10 2014?

If this is not the right place to ask, please move my question to the right place. I know there is a specific thread for these requests on LH but I could not find one for DL.

It is currently J1 C1 D1 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 S9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 X9 V9 E9

paulwuk Nov 6, 2014 6:29 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23800514)
It is currently J1 C1 D1 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 S9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 X9 V9 E9

Which version of KVS allows you to get that information?

IMH Nov 6, 2014 6:44 am


Originally Posted by fuyao (Post 23794587)
I think we can end the debate whether its legitimite or not how KVS gets the data


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23799561)
We think so too.

Yes. Let's draw a line under that one.

The "KVS Availability Tool" only works properly on a sporadic basis, and only to the extent that KVS can find new ways* for it to steal data.

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* Ways to steal data are also known as "Engines" and "Methods", with upper case initials because this helps the "Tool" sound important.

jerry_greece Nov 6, 2014 6:49 am


Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23800674)
Which version of KVS allows you to get that information?

Mobile companion ofcourse!

nux Nov 6, 2014 7:09 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 2804833)
[*]The purpose of this thread is serve as a place where the Tool users can post questions about the Tool's functionality, issues, suggestions, etc.

Suggestion
As the KVS Availability Tool purports to be a "Specialized Web Browser application", can the URL/domain used for each type of search be clearly shown before users are required to click 'Go' rather than an obfuscated/truncated code such as 'Availability/FS'?

That way users know the website(s) they will access and have a chance to confirm (if they wish) that they are meeting any 'User Agreement' or T&C's of that website.

Alternatively, a popup of the terms of the website(s) they are accessing through their 'Specialized Web Browser application'. Just as you request users to "Please review the terms of the KVS Tool User Agreement that you have accepted when installing the KVS Tool."


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