Welcome to FT eyancy! You just reinforced my reasoning to get an EF subscription!

In which jurisdiction do you preside? If none, as I surmise, your speculative conclusion bears minimal persuasive value.

--mcz

It's interesting to see how A_Lee is assuming how KVS works, and then quoting the terms and conditions of this website.

KVS does NOT use any credentials of its own, nor does it store any information from any website. It's merely a presentation tool, using the user's credentials to log in to the website (which the user can easily do himself), showing the same information obtained from the webpage.

The above can be verified using simple tools. Everything that KVS does, can be done with a regular browser. Using KVS takes the same amount of time as using a regular browser, (meaning that if, for example, the BA website is slow, then the BA method in KVS would be just as slow). KVS is similar to an Ad Blocker tool, that hides part of webpage when you browse it.

How does it login to GTC with the new /GA function?

New GA method seems to be down again...

I believe this is correct. As we have seen, its credentials seem to be 'b:eek:rrowed'... I believe you are incorrect, though, if you are trying to assert that any and all credentials used are supplied by users.

Well others who checked all the packets of data being communicated seem to think otherwise. They have reported that in the past without supplying any credentials it was accessing the data from Lorraine Travel as well as a couple other sites. KVS replied that they did not store any such credentials INTERNALLY in their software. But if not, then how was it accessing this data, that the user supplied no credentials for? Please do give us your idea on how this was done, if you believe KVS, and you don't think my explanation (that they somehow pulled the credentials from some site and stored that credential information into the credentials file, or some other file external to the KVS application).

Ok, then one simple question for you. How would one access the GTC information with a regular browser? I don't know much about it, but did look at the documentation I found and saw no way in the documentation that it (GetThere Connect) would supply availability information using a standard webbrowser. Rather it looked to me to just show results based on prices. Admittedly I've never used it, so maybe the documentation I read was incomplete or a different version, but this was the FAU information I examined, being KVS was recommending using FAU's password to create your own account.

Being GetThere (eyancy) has posted here in this thread, they are quite obviously aware that their data is being accessed in a manner in which was not intended (by unauthorized users). Perhaps after becoming aware of KVS and their methods they're easily tracking as the methods change and shutting them down as fast as KVS can find an alternate way in. Not a very user friendly way of trying to get your data if you're constantly needing to update the application, and may find yourself not able to get information during a time of need. KVS in my mind would be so much better off to create a new level of the tool where the data is being paid for and accessed legitimately, as ExpertFlyer does, even if it means the user needs to pay more for that version. I know I personally would not be interested in a tool that needs to be updated every few days just because the tool needs to constantly find holes that haven't yet been plugged.

...but as the supplier it costs S:D much less to when you don't have to actually pay for the data you sell -- Oh - that's right. We're expected to believe that all that's being sold is a customised web browser <wink><wink>.

Sold? I thought this was a charity.

Well, purchases are couched as "c;)ntributions" ...

Oh dear, the Availablilty Tool has lost its availability again, seems Mr G.A. didn't like us using his data either.

EF also loses data sources at random times, even ones they pay for http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...l-flights.html

But it is not due to someone discovering all these unauthorized access to their systems that's been taking place.

It's still not working as of a few minutes ago.

:td: