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angatol Oct 20, 2014 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23708715)
Wrong. Try again :)

Ok, I'll paste it:

1. Click on Create Account (under the red Log In
button).
2. The Site ID is floridaatlantic and the Password Key
is flatlantic.
Edit: er that seems to be what I already wrote. What's wrong with that? Works for me.

golfmad Oct 20, 2014 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 23708707)
I don't use KVS, but even I could follow the instructions on the last page or two. According to the PDF, the sitecode is floridaatlantic and the password key is flatlantic.


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 23708725)
Ok, I'll paste it:

The site id and the sitecode are two different things not one and the same.

angatol Oct 20, 2014 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23708736)
The site id and the sitecode are two different things not one and the same.

Ok. Since I only followed the pdf, I'm guessing you mean that the site id is marathoncorporate.

So does lorrainetravel/demo not work any more then?

golfmad Oct 20, 2014 9:10 pm


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 23708748)
Ok. Since I only followed the pdf, I'm guessing you mean that the site id is marathoncorporate.

So does lorrainetravel/demo not work any more then?

marathoncorporate and lorrainetravel are examples of site codes not site IDs. The site ID and password you quote above are used to establish an account that can then be used with a valid site code.

angatol Oct 20, 2014 9:15 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23708763)
marathoncorporate and lorrainetravel are examples of site codes not site IDs. The site ID and password you quote above are used to establish an account that can then be used with a valid site code.

Awesome. Should be nice and clear for KVS users now then!

golfmad Oct 20, 2014 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 23708781)
Awesome. Should be nice and clear for KVS users now then!

Who was this mythical Lorraine anyway?

angatol Oct 20, 2014 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23708799)
Who was this mythical Lorraine anyway?

Still going strong it seems: http://www.lorrainetravel.com/

For well over half a century, Lorraine Travel has been meeting the needs of clients*
* took us 49 years to change our password :D

josephstern Oct 20, 2014 9:52 pm

So whatever with the mighty KVS do when Florida Atlantic University decides to shut off this access?

By the way, I really dug it that when I disparaged this GTC garbage, KVS took the opportunity to try to bury my post with a bunch of replies to "KVS is the best!" posts.

Xyzzy Oct 20, 2014 10:23 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23707811)
If you are still experiencing difficulty with that process, please contact us via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

Thanks for confirming.

For those of you playing along at h:pme I present a convenient translation from KVS-speak to normal English:

[KVS Translation tool 9.9.1 / Plutonium]
Code:

I'm not going to actually post access information for other
people's sites here.  I'm going to send my customers donors
hints about how to find it by email. That way I can maintain the
illusion that screen scraping other companies data without their
consent -- and charging for that -- is acceptable conduct.

If I post here enough, the complaints about likely illegal but
definitely immorral activity will be hidden within the thread and
people will continue to send me money.


iantheglobetrotter Oct 21, 2014 12:31 am

In my seventh year as a KVS user I am dismayed to read so many recent negative postings here about something that, for me, has long been a reliable and very useful tool.

What I’ve seen in that time is access methods come and go and lots of new features added while the price remained unchanged. There was always discussion about where the data came from and comments to the effect that much of it could be accessed for free if you knew where to look.

I took the view that for the benefits that KVS Tool provided me it was well worth the annual cost – certainly when balanced against the savings in time and money and for the convenience. Availability is the prime function but I also use a whole host of other features such as checking visa requirements, award availability, timetables, fares and flight arrivals.

As soon as the GTC Availability access method was introduced, I took the trouble to find out how to sign up for it and I’ll admit it wasn’t that easy. The problem is that after the (probably totally unexpected) decommissioning of two other search methods in the short space of some two weeks, for the moment suddenly GTC is all that’s left. From what I have seen in the past, KVS will introduce new facilities and methods as soon as they become practical.

Meanwhile those making adverse comments are not helping the situation. I for one will be patient and supportive in the hope / expectation that KVS Tool will continue to provide what I need.

andymo99 Oct 21, 2014 2:11 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23706027)
More precisely, the KVS Tool is a specialized web browser.

As is the case with other web browsers, it can be used to view information from various websites on the World Wide Web.

However, over time, some websites (or certain parts thereof) may cease to exist.

It would be impossible for anyone to guarantee that a particular website will continue to exist forever.

However, as a courtesy to our Members, we are able to suggest an alternative website, which has comparable functionality and is compatible with the KVS Tool.



KVS, your answers to a selective subset of posts are disingenuous. You are nearly the only one on this thread pretending that the events of the past week are anything short of a massive devaluation of your tool. This charade is a slap in the face to longtime subscribers, especially those (such as myself) who have been champions of your service in the past.

This whole thing would sit much better with a little bit of humility and candor on your part. Instead, we are faced with smugness and hubris.

Will you be honoring requests for prorated subscription refunds? (And will you be selecting this question as to one that merits a reply from you?!)

Please answer my query here. I don't appreciate private messages asking me to redact my postings to FT.

Xyzzy Oct 21, 2014 7:46 am


Originally Posted by iantheglobetrotter (Post 23709350)
In my seventh year as a KVS user I am dismayed to read so many recent negative postings here about something that, for me, has long been a reliable and very useful tool.

What I’ve seen in that time is access methods come and go and lots of new features added while the price remained unchanged. There was always discussion about where the data came from and comments to the effect that much of it could be accessed for free if you knew where to look...

Nobody has said it isn't useful. What's really going on here is akin to someone scouring a city looking for unlocked doors and then selling the information on whose door was left unlocked and what is inside. Time and time again those who provide the data have shut their sources off to the 't:eek::eek:l' once they've found out what is going on. That doesn't happen when data sources are used legitimately. It happens when data sources are used without permission.

josephstern Oct 21, 2014 7:55 am


Originally Posted by iantheglobetrotter (Post 23709350)
. . . Meanwhile those making adverse comments are not helping the situation. I for one will be patient and supportive in the hope / expectation that KVS Tool will continue to provide what I need.

I think I'm helping "the situation" in that I'm "helping" to inform FT members about what's going on and warn them about what I see as a shady company. Sorry if I'm not "helping" to bring more subscribers to KVS or "helping" KVS find more usernames and passwords to scrape other websites.

golfmad Oct 21, 2014 8:19 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 23710519)
What's really going on here is akin to someone scouring a city looking for unlocked doors and then selling the information on whose door was left unlocked and what is inside.

That's a bit of a daft analogy.

IMH Oct 21, 2014 8:30 am


Originally Posted by iantheglobetrotter (Post 23709350)
as a KVS user I am dismayed to read so many recent negative postings here [...]

I took the view that for the benefits that KVS Tool provided me it was well worth the annual cost

I was also disappointed when I first took a little time to look at what was going on inside the KVS black box. That was back in 2011, when I was still a subscriber.

KVS got sufficiently rattled by criticism/questions from people who'd understood what was going on for some time (some of whom have contributed to this thread) to make a rather unwise move (from his point of view): he started a discussion on milepoint. The key points were summarised in this post.) The thread was quite enlightening until Randy Petersen stamped on it.

What I felt then still applies: If you buy an iPhone from a stranger in a bar, or DVDs at a street stall far from home, you shouldn't be too surprised to discover that what you've purchased isn't fully above board. Similarly, people who download 'warez' software or trade passwords are aware of what they're doing. KVS is different, in that most users don't have a clue what's going on.


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