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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
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E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
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https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
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You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Aug 17, 2010 | 8:54 am

#3421

sbm12

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Location: PSM

Posts: 69,232

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keter

If you ask about codesharing (less likely) then it is only the airlines being parts of the agreement which have the information. For a passenger such information can only be useful for 'free-sell' codeshare agreements when you want to guess whether or not specific class opened by operating carrier will trigger the opening of a certain class by a marketing carrier.

It is also quite useful information on codeshares for *A carriers when trying to determine how many miles one will earn on a trip.

Aug 17, 2010 | 11:57 am

#3422

Keter

Join Date: Aug 2007

Location: AMS

Programs: KL PFL; BA Nobody; EY Silver

Posts: 2,587

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12

It is also quite useful information on codeshares for *A carriers when trying to determine how many miles one will earn on a trip.

This is interline world... Examples are below:

1) Codesharing:

PAR-ROM flight, operated by AF but coded as AZ and governed by AZ fare. The booking class is determined by AZ fare (the fare's RBD chart 1; RBD chart 2 is irrelevant here).

2) Interline

MOW-AZ-ROM-DL-NYC. The fare is filed by DL but allows to have AZ-coded segments. RBD chart 1 information only applies to ROM-NYC segment which is DL coded. To find out what booking class should be used for AZ segment you go to RBD chart 2.

Aug 17, 2010 | 12:12 pm

#3423

flyboy99

Join Date: Dec 2007

Location: YWG

Programs: AC P,PC Plat,HH*G, Marriott Rewards

Posts: 152

YWG-YYZ Sept 6

I'm on AC 268 at 16:00 from YWG-YYZ. I can't seem to check R space as seatcounter is down. Would somebody be so kind as to check for me?

Aug 17, 2010 | 1:09 pm

#3424

jarusoba

Join Date: May 2007

Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia

Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt

Posts: 4,396

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboy99

I'm on AC 268 at 16:00 from YWG-YYZ. I can't seem to check R space as seatcounter is down. Would somebody be so kind as to check for me?

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

YWG  Winnipeg MB CA [CYWG]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  06 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
AC         256     YWG   05:15     YYZ   08:33     E90      T9 R6 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 E0 A0 J7 C6 D6 Z6
AC         1108    YWG   06:30     YUL   09:59     E75      T9 R4 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 E0 A0 J5 C4 D4 Z4
 -> AC     409     YUL   11:00     YYZ   12:15     320      T0 R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V1 N1 W1 G1 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J2 C2 D2 Z2
AC         260     YWG   08:00     YYZ   11:18     320      T9 R6 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 E0 A0 J9 C6 D6 Z6
AC         262     YWG   09:00     YYZ   12:18     319      T0 R4 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J6 C4 D4 Z4
AC         1102    YWG   09:00     YOW   12:22     E90      T0 R3 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L0 E0 A0 J5 C3 D3 Z3
 -> AC     453     YOW   13:00     YYZ   14:00     E90      T6 R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S6 P6 L6 E0 A0 J6 C5 D5 Z5
AC         264     YWG   10:30     YYZ   13:48     E90      T0 R5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S4 P4 L0 E0 A0 J7 C5 D5 Z5
AC         266     YWG   11:45     YYZ   15:03     320      T0 R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z9
AC         270     YWG   13:25     YYZ   16:43     E90      T0 R5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J7 C5 D5 Z5
AC         268     YWG   16:00     YYZ   19:18     320      T0 R7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J9 C8 D8 Z7
AC         272     YWG   18:50     YYZ   22:08     320      T0 R6 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L0 E0 A0 J9 C7 D7 Z6

Aug 17, 2010 | 2:51 pm

#3425

sbm12

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Location: PSM

Posts: 69,232

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keter

My reasons for wanting to know have nothing to do with caring about who owns the fare rules, collects the cash or plates the tickets. It is solely about being able to map what the operating carrier will report to the FF program of the crediting carrier based on the fare purchased from the marketing carrier. It could be on a single segment or part of a multi-segment PNR. It could be either of the two scenarios you describe above.

Aug 18, 2010 | 9:49 am

#3426

flyboy99

Join Date: Dec 2007

Location: YWG

Programs: AC P,PC Plat,HH*G, Marriott Rewards

Posts: 152

Thanks for your quick response!

Aug 21, 2010 | 2:25 pm

#3427

dbgordon

Join Date: Aug 2010

Posts: 1

Trouble Finding non-DL Skyteam Awards

Hi,

New to the KVS Tool, and have found it quite useful. The only problem I've come across thus far is that I've been looking for an award ticket from BOS to CAI, and when I search the Awards/Upgrades tab with DLM: Awards/Skyteam and Airline = *S Skyteam [DL/KL/AF] + AS, all I get is DL results, through ATL, JFK, etc. I've tried flights from BOS to CDG and FCO, and other places, assuming AF and AZ direct flights might come up -- again, all I end up with is DL flights. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for the assistance.

Aug 21, 2010 | 2:54 pm

#3428

KVS

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FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbgordon

New to the KVS Tool, and have found it quite useful. The only problem I've come across thus far is that I've been looking for an award ticket from BOS to CAI, and when I search the Awards/Upgrades tab with DLM: Awards/Skyteam and Airline = *S Skyteam [DL/KL/AF] + AS, all I get is DL results, through ATL, JFK, etc. I've tried flights from BOS to CDG and FCO, and other places, assuming AF and AZ direct flights might come up -- again, all I end up with is DL flights. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for the assistance.

Welcome to the KVS Tool & FlyerTalk!

For AF awards, it's currently best to use the [Sabre: FS] Method (via the [Availability] tab) -- please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for details:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

BOS  Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
TUE  01 Mar 2011

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AF         337     BOS   17:20     CDG   06:10     744      O0 X9

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
CAI  Cairo Int'l EG [HECA]
TUE  01 Mar 2011

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AF         508     CDG   13:35     CAI   19:00     772      O9 X0
AF         524     CDG   16:40     CAI   22:00     332      O9 X0

Aug 22, 2010 | 6:12 am

#3429

leonleonb

Join Date: Jul 2005

Location: Paris, France

Programs: Flying Blue Platinum

Posts: 198

Amadeus seat map down

Amadeus seat map is not available, and there is no another way to have a look on seat Map (as Galileo before)
I have, for several weeks these two answers:
first, in the four cabin, with Amadeus text
"Seat Map is unavailable or unsupportedfor this flight, cabin or carrier"
Please try a different Seat Map Method"
second, same with Amadeus-enhanced:
"Error Retrieving Seat Map Data: "Amadeus-Unable to process-"
As it is for AF flight I am very surprised...
Last research was for CDG-JNB on AF990, this evening.
Any solution?

Aug 22, 2010 | 9:47 am

#3430

KVS

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FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by leonleonb

I have, for several weeks these two answers:
first, in the four cabin, with Amadeus text
"Seat Map is unavailable or unsupportedfor this flight, cabin or carrier"
Please try a different Seat Map Method"
second, same with Amadeus-enhanced:
"Error Retrieving Seat Map Data: "Amadeus-Unable to process-"
As it is for AF flight I am very surprised...
Last research was for CDG-JNB on AF990, this evening.
Any solution?

If you are getting that error message from the Amadeus Enhanced Seat Maps, it means that AF had closed the Seat Map for that particular flight (e.g. because the flight is now under airport control).

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Amadeus Enhanced Seat Map: 25 Aug 2010/AF 990/CDG-JNB/EQV/Y]

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10   +  P  P                    P  P  +  
11   P  P  P     G  G  G  G     X  X  X  
12   P  X  X     +              P  X  X  
14   P  P  X                    X  X  X  
15   P  P  P     P  X  X  X     X  X  X  
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17   P  P  P     P  P  P  P     P  P  P  
18   P  P  P     P  P  P  P     P  P  P  
19   -  -  -     -  +  +  -     -  -  -  
20   -  +  -     -  +  +  +     -  -  -  
21   -  +  -     -  +  +  -     -  -  +  
22   -  +  +     +  +  +  -     -  +  +  
23   -  +  -     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
24   -  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
25   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
26   +  +  +     -  -  -  -     +  +  +  
27   +  -  -     +        +     +  +  +  
30   +  +  +     X  -  -  X     +  +  +  
31   +  +  -     -  -  -  -     X  +  +  
32   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
33   +  +  +        -  +  +     +  +  +  
34   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
35   +  +  +     X  -  -  +     +  +  +  
36   -  +  -     +  +  +  +     +  -  -  
37   +  +  +     +  -  -  +     -  -  +  
38   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  -  
39   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
40   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
41   +  +  +     G        G     +  +  +  
42   +  +  +                    +  +  +  
45   X  +  -     X  +  +  X     -  +  X  
46   +  +  +     -  -  -  -     +  +  +  
47   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
48   +  +  +     +  +  +  -     +  +  +  
49   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
50   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
51   +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +  
52               +  +  +  +              

[+] Available   [-] Unavailable
[P] Preferred   [X] Blocked    
[G] Galley

Aug 23, 2010 | 2:58 pm

#3431

heartybob

Join Date: Dec 2004

Location: Kyiv, Ukraine, & London, UK

Programs: BA Gold; HH Gold; M&M; PS Classic; VV Silver (deceased); BD Silver (deceased).

Posts: 3,608

Never seen this before:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KBP  Kiev Borispol UA [UKBB]
WED  22 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------
BA         840     LHR   07:00     KBP   12:30     320      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9
BA         882     LHR   09:45     KBP   15:05     321      J0 C0 D0 R0 I0 U0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 Q0 S0 G0 X0 N0 O0

BA882 zeroed out but showing U and X fare buckets.

However, ba.com is still selling seats on the BA882

Aug 23, 2010 | 4:16 pm

#3432

KVS

Original Poster

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by heartybob

Never seen this before:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KBP  Kiev Borispol UA [UKBB]
WED  22 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------
BA         840     LHR   07:00     KBP   12:30     320      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9
BA         882     LHR   09:45     KBP   15:05     321      J0 C0 D0 R0 I0 U0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 Q0 S0 G0 X0 N0 O0

BA882 zeroed out but showing U and X fare buckets.

However, ba.com is still selling seats on the BA882

Must have been a glitch in the system:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KBP  Kiev Borispol UA [UKBB]
WED  22 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------
BA         840     LHR   07:00     KBP   12:30     320      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9
BA         882     LHR   09:45     KBP   15:05     321      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9

Aug 25, 2010 | 1:03 pm

#3433

typhoon

Join Date: Apr 2004

Location: IRL

Programs: AF: Plat BD: Gold ICH: Plat Royal Ambassador

Posts: 599

Happy to be renewing for our 4th time!

Knowledge is power, and KVS was invaluable earlier this year when I was stranded in Asia thanks to the ash clouds. Real time availability could show me where KLM had seat availability whilst the airline was saying on the phone that all flights were full. Two days later, when that flight was also cancelled, I could do a full all-Asia to Europe check and find what was available, and call the airline with the information.

The flight I found (which was eventually overbooked by 80 people) resulted in me coming home to Europe via a new routing, rather than sitting in Asia for a further three days at minimum.

Well done KVS! ^

Aug 30, 2010 | 1:27 pm

#3434

mrx900

Join Date: Dec 2007

Location: PDX

Programs: AA,DL,BA,UA,SPG, and any other free trip!

Posts: 1,803

Does KVS show RJ availability?

trying to check availability on Royal Jordanian (OneWorld)...so I can use my AA miles to fly them to DXB from the U.S.

No matter how far out I go, I get no availability.........is this possible?? or am I doing something wrong?

Aug 30, 2010 | 1:35 pm

#3435

KVS

Original Poster

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrx900

OneWorld carriers, for which award availability is currently supported are: QF/BA/AA/AY/IB/MA/LA/4M/CX/KA/MX/JL. Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for details.