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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
...
D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

Quote:

http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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Sep 12, 2010 | 3:07 pm

#3481

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xyzzy

That's not a fair comparison at all. Free tools like the Wandering Aramean Availability tool are quite similar.

That's true -- most imitations always have some similarities with the originals, by definition

Sep 12, 2010 | 3:48 pm

#3482

sbm12

A FlyerTalk Posting Legend

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: PSM

Posts: 69,232

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

That's true -- most imitations always have some similarities with the originals, by definition

So you admit that your previous post was intended to purposefully deceive and mislead folks?

Sep 12, 2010 | 3:49 pm

#3483

yesitshere

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 228

Whats this Wandering Aramean Availability Tool?

If it works, please let me know what this is is.

I had to tell 4 people politely to jump in the lake, because there was no hike available.

What do you have mr(s) kvs for the following award tix available:

leaving/returning to either MUC, FRA or ZRH TO HKG on 18 SEP 2010 in First, stay there about 24 hours and return.

this is for 1 pax.

either with LH, LX or BA, CX (from/to AMS)

PS: Do you have any idea why when choosing asiamiles (number and pin ARE correct), kvs freezes and crashes (when performing a search). this problem remains even after upgrading (reinstalling anew).

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:00 pm

#3484

KVS

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12

So you admit that your previous post was intended to purposefully deceive and mislead folks?

We have no idea what exactly you are referring to, and, based on previous experience, strongly suspect that it is irrelevant vis-a-vis the subject of this thread.

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:05 pm

#3485

mileageking

Join Date: Jan 2008

Posts: 3,946

Just tried using KVS and looks like it's now working. ^

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:11 pm

#3486

KVS

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Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitshere

What do you have mr(s) kvs for the following award tix available:

leaving/returning to either MUC, FRA or ZRH TO HKG on 18 SEP 2010 in First, stay there about 24 hours and return.

this is for 1 pax.

either with LH, LX or BA, CX (from/to AMS)

The service has now been restored.

LH F is available on the outbound from either FRA or MUC, but only C on the return. CX F is available ex-AMS; nothing on the inbound.

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-STD]

Code:

FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Int'l DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
SAT  18 Sep 2010 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         738     FRA   17:55     HKG   10:35 +1  744  0   FS+  CS-  YS-
LH         980     FRA   18:20     MUC   19:15     320  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     730     MUC   21:55     HKG   15:05 +1  346  0   FS+  CS-  YS-
LH         982     FRA   19:45     MUC   20:40     321  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     730     MUC   21:55     HKG   15:05 +1  346  0   FS+  CS-  YS-
LX         1075    FRA   17:55     ZRH   18:45     AR1  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LX     138     ZRH   22:45     HKG   16:35 +1  343  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
LX         1077    FRA   20:45     ZRH   21:40     AR1  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LX     138     ZRH   22:45     HKG   16:35 +1  343  0   FS-  CS-  YS-

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-STD]

Code:

HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Int'l DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
MON  20 Sep 2010 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         739     HKG   13:00     FRA   18:50     744  0   FS-  CS+  YS-
LH         731     HKG   23:30     MUC   05:30 +1  346  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     961     MUC   06:05 +1  FRA   07:10 +1  321  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         731     HKG   23:30     MUC   05:30 +1  346  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     963     MUC   07:05 +1  FRA   08:10 +1  321  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LX         139     HKG   22:55     ZRH   06:10 +1  343  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
 -> LX     1068    ZRH   07:00 +1  FRA   08:15 +1  320  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LX         139     HKG   22:55     ZRH   06:10 +1  343  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
 -> LX     1070    ZRH   08:05 +1  FRA   09:15 +1  AR1  0   FS/  CS-  YS-

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
SAT  18 Sep 2010 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
CX         270     AMS   14:05     HKG   07:10 +1  744      FS+

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitshere

PS: Do you have any idea why when choosing asiamiles (number and pin ARE correct), kvs freezes and crashes (when performing a search). this problem remains even after upgrading (reinstalling anew).

Such issues would, typically, be caused by either a problem with one of the Windows components or 'badly-behaving' 3rd-party software.

Is this happening on one or both of your machines?

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:15 pm

#3487

KVS

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Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennix

Have KVS Tool since appr. 1 week and have major stability problems. Seldom works longer than 5 minutes in a row without coming down.

Running Vista home premium.

Could you please provide a more detailed description of the issue?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennix

Can I delete installation and reinstall it with the same old key ( hardware doesn't change, so machine No. shouldn't change also )

Yes, you can re-install the Tool on the same machine as many times as you like; your Registration Code will remain valid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennix

Also think I have to install machine No. 3, which is an old but perfect running XP Professional System.

Good idea -- please be sure to report the results.

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:24 pm

#3488

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,782

Regarding the following KVS tool displays of seat availability on the YOW-YYZ and the YYZ-LAS flights, there are 2 issues:

A. I had bought a revenue ticket some time ago, whereby I would go from YOW to LAS on AC on Nov 11, and come back on Nov 15. I was originally booked on the 10 AM flight from YOW to YYZ; however, Air Canada sent me an email this morning that the 10 AM flight has been cancelled. I was re-booked on the 9 AM flight. I am booked to go on AC 597 from YYZ to LAS, departing at 1:10 PM.

This and the other KVS tool availability functions do not yet reflect that cancellation.

B. My wife and I plan to go to Las Vegas that day; I wish to book a business class seat through my Aeroplan account for her. Obviously, I wish to book her to be on the same flights as I am booked on.

The Aeroplan web site is showing that I will get a non-priority award if she goes on the 11 AM flight, and then go on a flight to Denver on AC, and on a flight from Denver to LAS on UA.

My Aeroplan award account shows that I can book her on the 9 or 11 (or 10) AM flight from YOW to YYZ, and then AC 597, leaving at 1:10 PM. However, it is listed as classic plus award, with a 92,000 Aeroplan mile requirement, rather than a 40,000 mile requirement. Realizing that even with SEs, there is some capacity control to IKK award bookings, I still see no reason based on data from the KVS tool why the Aeroplan web site would require 92,000 miles, if I book the 9 AM flight from YOW to YYZ and then on AC 597 leaving YYZ at 1:10 PM. Any thoughts?

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
THU  11 Nov 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
AC         479     YOW   06:00     YYZ   07:00     319      R3 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z8
AC         441     YOW   07:00     YYZ   08:00     319      R3 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z8
AC         477     YOW   07:30     YYZ   08:30     E75      R2 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E0 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z7
AC         443     YOW   08:00     YYZ   09:00     320      R5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z9
AC         445     YOW   09:00     YYZ   10:00     319      R2 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z6
AC         447     YOW   10:00     YYZ   11:00     320      R2 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z6
AC         449     YOW   11:00     YYZ   12:00     319      R5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z9
AC         451     YOW   12:00     YYZ   13:00     E90      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 T9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z5
AC         453     YOW   13:00     YYZ   14:00     E75      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L4 T4 E0 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z3
AC         455     YOW   14:00     YYZ   15:00     320      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L4 T4 E4 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z5
AC         457     YOW   15:00     YYZ   16:00     E90      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 T0 E0 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z1
AC         459     YOW   16:00     YYZ   17:00     320      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L4 T4 E4 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z2

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
LAS  Las Vegas McCarran Int'l NV US [KLAS]
THU  11 Nov 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
AC         591     YYZ   09:15     LAS   10:59     320      R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W0 S0 L0 K9 N9 G0 P0 T0 E0 A0 J4 C4 D0 Z0
AC         597     YYZ   13:10     LAS   14:54     319      R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V4 N4 W0 A0 G0 S0 P0 L0 T0 E0 J7 C7 D2 Z0

Last edited by FlyerGoldII; Sep 12, 2010 at 5:07 pm

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:25 pm

#3489

sbm12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

We have no idea what exactly you are referring to,

The one two posts prior where you suggested that getting the same data for free that you're selling was akin to hitchhiking. Do you really have that much trouble following a rather coherent conversation?

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:43 pm

#3490

EileenSRN

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It is distressing to see a FT Moderator flaming another Flyertalker.
I would like to thank ALL Flyertalkers who provide service of any kind for the rest of the forum members.
Eileen

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:47 pm

#3491

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1K+

Just tried using KVS and looks like it's now working. ^

+1^

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:50 pm

#3492

sbm12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EileenSRN

It is distressing to see a FT Moderator flaming another Flyertalker.
I would like to thank ALL Flyertalkers who provide service of any kind for the rest of the forum members.
Eileen

"Provide a service?" Don't you mean sell something that isn't really theirs to people?

Since when is trying to help others by pointing out that there are other tools available while this one is down inappropriate?

And pointing out that the responses to such suggestions are misleading at best is an action that I have no problem repeating. I have no problem with KVS selling the tool to folks so long as the customers are aware that what they're buying is also available for free. When such posts are met with suggestions that the other sources are not, in fact, able to actually perform the same way I will question it. When the responses are simply incoherent babbling I'll laugh at it.

I don't really think that's a problem.

ETA: I can understand why my responses might not be appreciated by the guy doing the selling, but I am quite comfortable in creating an environment of full disclosure of information rather than obfuscating and misleading existing or potential customers.

Last edited by sbm12; Sep 12, 2010 at 5:01 pm

Sep 12, 2010 | 4:58 pm

#3493

jarusoba

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12

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You know that there are other free resources out there that provide access to the same data, right??

Yes, there are. But KVS is way easier and simpler to use. The interface is easier because a browser is not needed. When KVS is down, I have to use other stuff but KVS is my preferred tool to use.

Sep 12, 2010 | 5:01 pm

#3494

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1K+

Just tried using KVS and looks like it's now working. ^

Indeed, our Web Hosting provider's systems are now back up and running, and access to all KVS Tool services has been restored as of approx. 17:00 CT / 23:00 GMT.

Sep 12, 2010 | 5:02 pm

#3495

sbm12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba

Yes, there are. But KVS is way easier and simpler to use. The interface is easier because a browser is not needed. When KVS is down, I have to use other stuff but KVS is my preferred tool to use.

Definitely a YMMV situation depending on the particular bit of data you're looking for. That said, for folks who are aware of the different options and willing to choose one that makes sense to me. It is when customers are misled or misinformed that I consider the sales tactics questionable.