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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 10:15 pm
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I can get Sabre:FS to show but not Z class on VA
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 7:54 am
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I just looked up the routing rules (YOW-MXP) by the Sabre Dot/Res method (and also the Galileo method); in both cases I could only get one permitted routing combination displayed.

What am I doing wrong?

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-MXP/AC/ZXRC30/3346 CAD]
Code:
YOWMIL-AC 15AUG10      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0101 RULE E350 
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *                          
   -FARE BASIS         CAD       NUC                PTC  FT  GI 
ZXRC30          R   3346.00   3190.82               ADT  EX  AT 
ZXRC30          R   3346.00   3190.82               CNN  EX  AT 
ZXRC30/IN90     R    334.00    319.08               INF  EX  AT 
ZXRC30          R   3346.00   3190.82               INS  EX  AT 
ZXRC30          R   3346.00   3190.82               UNN  EX  AT 
BOOKING CODES        Z                                          
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE -  BX - BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION             
MPM - AT  4704 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING 1401 FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-MIL*
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by djjaguar64
Can anyone point me to another free tool, this one seems to have disappeared:

http://flyaow.com/classavailability.htm
http://tools.wanderingaramean.com/To...Inventory.aspx

I maintain it. Let me know if you run into trouble with it. The current inventory source is new (I used to use the same one that went offline) so I'm still finding bugs, but it is mostly working most of the time.
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
http://tools.wanderingaramean.com/To...Inventory.aspx

I maintain it. Let me know if you run into trouble with it. The current inventory source is new (I used to use the same one that went offline) so I'm still finding bugs, but it is mostly working most of the time.
Nice to see another option for fares - is there a way to add any filters for J fares?
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
I just looked up the routing rules (YOW-MXP) by the Sabre Dot/Res method (and also the Galileo method); in both cases I could only get one permitted routing combination displayed.

What am I doing wrong?
Looks like a fare routing mis-file. It should correct itself within a few days.
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 11:19 am
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Is there information available using the KVS tool or elsewhere where it will show what Booking classes are mapped to on another airline?

I read on another link that they are not always linked by booking class, but also routing dependent?

IE - NH-C = AC-J
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 5:03 pm
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A question re: routing:

If it says that one needs to go on AC/LH or AC/LX or AC/LH/LX from a European hub to MXP - does that mean that only AC codeshared flights from the hub city to MXP are eligible for the fare, or does it mean that AC or LH or LX flights between the city pair are eligible, whether or not AC codeshares on those flights?



Originally Posted by KVS
These are Routing-based fares, so MPM does not apply:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.6.0/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-MIL/AC/ZXRC30/3228 USD]
Code:
YOWMIL-AC 30JUL10      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0101 RULE E350 
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *                          
   -FARE BASIS         CAD       NUC                PTC  FT  GI 
ZXRC30          R   3306.00   3152.68               ADT  EX  AT 
ZXRC30          R   3306.00   3152.68               CNN  EX  AT 
ZXRC30/IN90     R    330.00    315.26               INF  EX  AT 
ZXRC30          R   3306.00   3152.68               INS  EX  AT 
ZXRC30          R   3306.00   3152.68               UNN  EX  AT 
BOOKING CODES        Z                                          
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE -  BX - BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION             
MPM - AT  4704 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING 1401 FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-MIL*               
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-AC/LH-MIL*         
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-AC/LH-AC/LH/LX-    
                      MIL*                                      
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-AC/LH-STR-AC/      
                      LH/LX-MIL*                                
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-MUC/PAR/ROM/       
                      ZRH/WAW/VIE-AC/LH-MIL*                    
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-MUC/PAR/ROM/       
                      ZRH/WAW/VIE-AC/LH-AC/LH/LX-MIL*           
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-MUC/PAR/ROM/       
                      ZRH/WAW/VIE-AC/LH-STR-AC/LH/LX-MIL*       
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-BCN/BRU/DUS/       
                      FRA/HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MUC/PAR/ROM/VIE/      
                      CPH-AC/LH-MIL*                            
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-GVA/ZRH-AC/LX-     
                      MIL*                                      
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-BRU-AC/SN-MIL*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-MAD/BCN-JK/IB/     
                      AZ/LX-MIL*                                
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-AMS-KL/AZ-MIL*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-ATH-A3-MIL*        
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-WAW-LO/AC-MIL*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-BA/BD/SK/AZ-       
                      MIL*                                      
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-AZ-MIL*            
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-ROM-AZ-MIL*        
             FROM-TO  YOW-YMQ-YTO-YHZ-YYT-AC-AMS/BRU/LON-AZ/    
                      AF-MIL*                                   
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-MIL*               
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-AC/LH-MIL*         
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-AC/LH-AC/LH/LX-    
                      MIL*                                      
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-AC/LH-STR-AC/      
                      LH/LX-MIL*                                
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-MUC/PAR/ROM/       
                      ZRH/WAW/VIE-AC/LH-MIL*                    
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-MUC/PAR/ROM/       
                      ZRH/WAW/VIE-AC/LH-AC/LH/LX-MIL*           
             FROM-TO  YOW-YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-MUC/PAR/ROM/       
                      ZRH/WAW/VIE-AC/LH-STR-AC/LH/LX-MIL*       
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 6:55 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
http://tools.wanderingaramean.com/To...Inventory.aspx

I maintain it. Let me know if you run into trouble with it. The current inventory source is new (I used to use the same one that went offline) so I'm still finding bugs, but it is mostly working most of the time.
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 1:40 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
A question re: routing:

If it says that one needs to go on AC/LH or AC/LX or AC/LH/LX from a European hub to MXP - does that mean that only AC codeshared flights from the hub city to MXP are eligible for the fare, or does it mean that AC or LH or LX flights between the city pair are eligible, whether or not AC codeshares on those flights?
No codeshares are necessary; any flight marketed by AC/LH/LX will qualify.
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by ffI
I can get Sabre:FS to show but not Z class on VA
(Answered in the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...l#post14485043 thread.)
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Argonaut1000
Is there information available using the KVS tool or elsewhere where it will show what Booking classes are mapped to on another airline?

I read on another link that they are not always linked by booking class, but also routing dependent?

IE - NH-C = AC-J
No authoritative source for this kind of data currently exists. This information is being held internally by each particular airline as a part of their commercial codeshare agreements.

And yes, it can be route specific, which further complicates matters.
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 3:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Argonaut1000
Is there information available using the KVS tool or elsewhere where it will show what Booking classes are mapped to on another airline?

I read on another link that they are not always linked by booking class, but also routing dependent?

IE - NH-C = AC-J
There is not a coherent source anywhere that I can find. I've done my best to scrape together via folks' empirical reports and some flights I've taken but the total number of mappings I have for *A is just about 100. The fact that it can vary based on routing makes it very difficult to be sure of what your earnings are going to be, but it is a start. http://tools.wanderingaramean.com/To...e_Mapping.aspx
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 5:26 pm
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I'm sure I'm making this harder than it is...but I can't figure out if the MCT for AC-TG connection at PVG is 120 or 180 minutes.

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: PVG/AC-TG]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         PVG                          020 060 060 060  
TERMINAL:         PVG  1  TO  1                120 120 120 120  
                       1  TO  2                150 150 150 150  
                       2  TO  1                150 150 150 150  
                       2  TO  2                120 120 120 120  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L              TR        AREA                                 
AC               1         CA                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              
AC               1         CA                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               2                                              
AC               2         CA                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              
AC               1         US                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              
AC               1         US                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               2                                              
AC               2         US                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              
AC               1                             --- --- --- 120  
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AC               1                             --- --- --- 12
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AC               2                             --- --- --- 120  
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AC               2                             --- --- --- 120  
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**END OF DISPLAY**
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330
I'm sure I'm making this harder than it is...but I can't figure out if the MCT for AC-TG connection at PVG is 120 or 180 minutes.
From AC to ALL, T2-T2 (assuming PVG-BKK on TG), I-I, the MCT is 120 minutes:

Originally Posted by ChrisA330
[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: PVG/AC-TG]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         PVG                          020 060 060 060  
TERMINAL:         PVG  1  TO  1                120 120 120 120  
                       1  TO  2                150 150 150 150  
                       2  TO  1                150 150 150 150  
                       2  TO  2                120 120 120 120  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L              TR        AREA                                 

AC               1         CA                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              

AC               1         CA                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               2                                              

AC               2         CA                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              

AC               1         US                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              

AC               1         US                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               2                                              

AC               2         US                  --- --- --- 180  
TG               1                                              

AC               1                             --- --- --- 120  
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AC               1                             --- --- --- 120  
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AC               2                             --- --- --- 120  
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AC               2                             --- --- --- 120  
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**END OF DISPLAY**
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 1:27 am
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Originally Posted by Argonaut1000
Is there information available using the KVS tool or elsewhere where it will show what Booking classes are mapped to on another airline?

I read on another link that they are not always linked by booking class, but also routing dependent?

IE - NH-C = AC-J
If you ask about interline fares [fares which allow to have segments by other airlines without the code of a main airlines (ie AF segments in DL fare)] then the information is stored in a so called "RBD Chart 2" which is part of the fare. It is currently available only in GDSs. It is fare and route specific but exceptions in fact are rare and usually apply to IATA fares rather than to other interline fares.

If you ask about codesharing (less likely) then it is only the airlines being parts of the agreement which have the information. For a passenger such information can only be useful for 'free-sell' codeshare agreements when you want to guess whether or not specific class opened by operating carrier will trigger the opening of a certain class by a marketing carrier.
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