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KVS Aug 29, 2015 10:06 am


Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 25346853)
Found the 1 month option. But if I just buy the 1 month licence what about future updates?

CrossOver Mac comes with a perpetual license for the purchased version.
We, generally, do not recommend upgrading CrossOver as it may introduce compatibility issues.

LifeTimeBronze Aug 31, 2015 7:00 am


Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 25346658)
Is there anyway to use the KVS tool on a mac without paying the subscription charges for Crossover?


https://www.playonmac.com/en/

Works perfectly and free !!!!

scottinaz Aug 31, 2015 8:30 pm

Temporary Registration Code
 
This is probably a nit but seems like something that should be easily solved. When I signed up for the KVS tool I got a message that said:
Your request has been successfully submitted:
Your Temporary Registration Code has been sent to you via e-mail at the end of the online Contribution process, so you can start using the KVS Tool right away.

At the end of the payment process I got two emails, the first thanking me for my order and indicating additional information would follow in a separate email. The second again thanked me and said I should proceed to the Registration Wizard.

Neither of these emails contains the Temporary Registration Code so I really cannot start using the tool right away. Now I can wait 24 hours for the permanent code but why is there a big bold statement saying I will get a temporary code when I don't? Perhaps they used to send this code and don't any more or perhaps they have never sent it but it would seem a minor fix to remove these statements if they are not going to include the temporary code.

KVS Aug 31, 2015 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by scottinaz (Post 25358765)
This is probably a nit but seems like something that should be easily solved. When I signed up for the KVS tool

Welcome to the KVS Tool!


Originally Posted by scottinaz (Post 25358765)
At the end of the payment process I got two emails, the first thanking me for my order and indicating additional information would follow in a separate email. The second again thanked me and said I should proceed to the Registration Wizard.

Neither of these emails contains the Temporary Registration Code so I really cannot start using the tool right away.

The Temporary Registration Code was issued automatically -- please check your Spam/Junk folder.

scottinaz Aug 31, 2015 9:42 pm

I have to apologize. I assumed when I received the first two mails there was no need to check my spam folder. But I did and the temporary registration was there. Well done!!

TOS_EBG Sep 2, 2015 5:53 am

The NH method errors with
Data source error [SF]:
"Please select a city or airport from the list."

KVS Sep 2, 2015 9:01 am


Originally Posted by TOS_EBG (Post 25365712)
The NH method errors with
Data source error [SF]:

This [Awards/NH-StarAlliance] Method issue has now been resolved.

Please download KVS Tool V7.8.9 and try again.

a310pilot Sep 6, 2015 4:30 pm

A qestion for KVS team or anyone familiar with KVS tool.

I don't have KVS tool and before plunging into it. Do they offer demo like expertflyer.

Basically I want a possibilty of searching all fares available from a particular origin without entering a destination.

Airlines have so many fares available that's impossible to see which city in a country could be offered for cheap by airline. Example. Instead of searching AUH to JFK. Can we just reach AUH to all of USA etc or a continent like Europe etc.

Sometimes I fly for the heck of flying and seeing a new place. Would love to see which cities are offered for cheap.

JIMCHI Sep 6, 2015 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by a310pilot (Post 25385807)
A qestion for KVS team or anyone familiar with KVS tool.

I don't have KVS tool and before plunging into it. Do they offer demo like expertflyer.

Basically I want a possibilty of searching all fares available from a particular origin without entering a destination.

Airlines have so many fares available that's impossible to see which city in a country could be offered for cheap by airline. Example. Instead of searching AUH to JFK. Can we just reach AUH to all of USA etc or a continent like Europe etc.

Sometimes I fly for the heck of flying and seeing a new place. Would love to see which cities are offered for cheap.

I believe this is well beyond the scope of KVS or any service. There could be thousands of published fares between one origin and even just a few destinations.

LondonElite Sep 7, 2015 1:58 am


Originally Posted by a310pilot (Post 25385807)
Basically I want a possibilty of searching all fares available from a particular origin without entering a destination.

That's not the point of KVS, which has as one of its main functions the scraping/mining/accessing (whatever you want to call it) of various websites to show availability in various fare classes.

What you are talking about you'll find with something like www.google.com/flights. Then click on Explore Destinations, and you'll find the lowest fares from your home airport(s).

Ducati Sep 7, 2015 6:08 pm

I have a question regarding the Mult-Day search tool. The following are the instructions:
Power Search (Multi-Day Availability Search)

Power Search can be used to locate Regular, Award or Upgrade Availability across a multiple date range.
The maximum date range is 31 days (1 month) for all Methods.
To use Power Search:
Goto the [Filter] Tab and set your Filter criteria (for example, "Availability Required in Classes FS/CS").
Return to the [Awards/Upgrades] or the [Availability] Tab.
Click the [Power Search] () button, select the desired date range, and click the [Start] button.
The Tool will initiate a series of searches across the requested date range until at least one flight matching the [Filter] criteria is found.
To continue the Power Search after it has been completed, click the [Power Search] button again.
To terminate the Power Search at any time, click the red [Stop] button (or press <Esc>).
I'm a bit confused with these instructions regarding search multiple dates. When setting the desired date range "+ [number of days]" in the Power Search button, the tool doesn't appear to give the available flights for the selected range. For example, in an Awards/Upgrades inquiry for oneworld (BA), if I select 10 Sep 2015 + 7 days, the tool will only give me the first available date with a seat in a particular class. So, if a seat is available on Sept 10, that's the only result it gives me. I would have to press Start again (or the down arrow) to find the next available day with an award seat.

Please tell us that there's a way to have the tool give you a week's worth of seats on one screen. Having to wait to press the Start button or down arrow again after each day does NOT seem to qualify as a "multi-day" search. I'd have to sit at the computer and wait 5 minutes to search for 7 days of availability. That would be no different than going to BA's website and clicking each day and waiting for the results. I was thinking I would see a monthly calendar with the available days, like with United's website.

Ducati Sep 7, 2015 8:23 pm

Also, how do you save your search results? The Save button only saves the search inquiry.

KVS Sep 8, 2015 8:30 am


Originally Posted by a310pilot (Post 25385807)
A qestion for KVS team or anyone familiar with KVS tool.

I don't have KVS tool and before plunging into it. Do they offer demo like expertflyer.

Basically I want a possibilty of searching all fares available from a particular origin without entering a destination.

Airlines have so many fares available that's impossible to see which city in a country could be offered for cheap by airline. Example. Instead of searching AUH to JFK. Can we just reach AUH to all of USA etc or a continent like Europe etc.

Sometimes I fly for the heck of flying and seeing a new place. Would love to see which cities are offered for cheap.


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25385855)
I believe this is well beyond the scope of KVS or any service. There could be thousands of published fares between one origin and even just a few destinations.

Indeed, all tools/services require a specific city pair to be entered, as there could be over 1 000 000+ published Fares from a single origin point.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
I have a question regarding the Mult-Day search tool. The following are the instructions:

I'm a bit confused with these instructions regarding search multiple dates. When setting the desired date range "+ [number of days]" in the Power Search button, the tool doesn't appear to give the available flights for the selected range. For example, in an Awards/Upgrades inquiry for oneworld (BA), if I select 10 Sep 2015 + 7 days, the tool will only give me the first available date with a seat in a particular class.

That is correct -- the [Power Search] function is used to automatically locate Award Availability in desired Class(es) across a Multiple date range (of up to 31 days).


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
So, if a seat is available on Sept 10, that's the only result it gives me.

If the desired Award Seats are already available on a specific date, then there is no need to use the [Power Search].


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
I would have to press Start again (or the down arrow) to find the next available day with an award seat.

No, the [Next Day] button would simply check the following date (which may or may not have the desired Award Availability). The [Power Search] button would actually locate Award Availability (which could be days or weeks away).


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
Please tell us that there's a way to have the tool give you a week's worth of seats on one screen. Having to wait to press the Start button or down arrow again after each day does NOT seem to qualify as a "multi-day" search.

[Power Search] is not an [Award Calendar] function -- it is used to automatically locate hard-to-find Awards.

If you would simply like to compare Award Availability across multiple dates, you can launch multiple instances of the KVS Tool and launch multiple searches for the desired date(s) simultaneously.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
I was thinking I would see a monthly calendar with the available days, like with United's website.

The [Award Calendar] function is currently supported by the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Method for *A Awards.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390784)
Also, how do you save your search results? The Save button only saves the search inquiry.

You can save a copy of the results in text format by clicking the [Print] button.

nux Sep 8, 2015 8:56 am


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
That would be no different than going to BA's website and clicking each day and waiting for the results. I was thinking I would see a monthly calendar with the available days, like with United's website.

You do know that this is exactly what KVS is doing in the background? It simply logs in to BA.com using your supplied details , performs the searches and scrapes the results to display. (Which is in violation of BA.com T&C's which could be used to terminate your BA account...)

If you're wanting to look for BA award availability, the BA.com calendar view (NOT the award map calendar) would be much quicker and accurate.

KVS Sep 8, 2015 9:01 am


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25392911)
If you're wanting to look for BA award availability, the BA.com calendar view (NOT the award map calendar) would be much quicker and accurate.

To clarify, BA.com Calendar View only supports BA's own flights and not the 21 OneWorld member carriers that can be searched via the [Power Search] in the KVS Tool.

IMH Sep 8, 2015 9:47 am


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25392911)
to look for BA award availability, the BA.com calendar view [...] would be much quicker

Definitely. For many searches also consider QF, which also offers a calendar view and has better coverage than BA (e.g. CX and JL, as well as their own flights). Just be aware that the results may include QF partners that are not in oneworld.

nux Sep 8, 2015 10:12 am


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 25393149)
Definitely. For many searches also consider QF, which also offers a calendar view and has better coverage than BA (e.g. CX and JL, as well as their own flights). Just be aware that the results may include QF partners that are not in oneworld.

BA award search covers all oneworld carriers, including CX and JL. But agree that between AA, BA, QF (and JL for CX sometimes) it is relatively easy to search for oneworld award space yourself for free.

IMH Sep 8, 2015 10:24 am


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25393270)
BA award search covers all oneworld carriers, including CX and JL.

Yes, but not in the calendar view, which is what your reply to Ducati highlighted. ;) QF probably has the most useful calendar view at the moment.


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25393270)
between AA, BA, QF (and JL for CX sometimes) it is relatively easy to search for oneworld award space yourself for free.

Absolutely. BA is where I usually start, unless I know that AA and BA are my only options (in which case AA.com is easiest).

Ducati Sep 8, 2015 8:41 pm

@KVS
Thank you for your prompt and detailed replies. But, I have to say that I feel like I was duped with this "new" multi-day search feature. If I search for seven days and on the first day there's an available seat, then the multi-day search tool doesn't actually search multiple days. Honestly, this tool is only slightly better than searching on BA and no better than QF's search engine. And having to open seven or eight instances of the tool and manually enter every single date is cumbersome and defeats the purpose of a paid tool that should conduct multi-day searches and return with multi-day results.

Ducati Sep 8, 2015 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25392911)

Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25390355)
That would be no different than going to BA's website and clicking each day and waiting for the results. I was thinking I would see a monthly calendar with the available days, like with United's website.

You do know that this is exactly what KVS is doing in the background? It simply logs in to BA.com using your supplied details , performs the searches and scrapes the results to display. (Which is in violation of BA.com T&C's which could be used to terminate your BA account...)

If you're wanting to look for BA award availability, the BA.com calendar view (NOT the award map calendar) would be much quicker and accurate.

I understood how KVS was extracting the information. But, it didn't cross my mind that a paid tool would be so simplistic in its delivery. Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table? Why go through the trouble of forcing the user to manually open seven instances of the tool? There's no way to have the tool to automatically search every day of the week? That doesn't seem reasonable.

JIMCHI Sep 8, 2015 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396773)
I understood how KVS was extracting the information. But, it didn't cross my mind that a paid tool would be so simplistic in its delivery. Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table? Why go through the trouble of forcing the user to manually open seven instances of the tool? There's no way to have the tool to automatically search every day of the week? That doesn't seem reasonable.

It finds the first instance of award availability over a 7 day period. Expert Flyer does the same thing over just a 3 day period, but doesn't show it in a 'nice little table". It just shows it in a linear fashion, one day at a time, but it does show availability over the 3 day period. For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool. Perhaps some other sites do this ???

KVS Sep 9, 2015 2:31 am


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396726)
@KVS
Thank you for your prompt and detailed replies.

You're welcome.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396726)
If I search for seven days and on the first day there's an available seat, then the multi-day search tool doesn't actually search multiple days.

If there is already desired Availability on a specific date, then there is no need to use the [Power Search].

The [Power Search] function is designed to make it easy to locate difficult-to-locate Awards, not provide a long list of easily-locatable ones (which can be found using a regular search).


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396773)
Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table?

A single day search can return as many as 100 different flight options. Combining the results across a 31-day period would result in "a nice little table" with 3000+ flights.

As noted previously, the [Award Calendar] is a completely different function and is currently supported by some Engines (including [Awards/AC-StarAlliance]).


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396773)
Why go through the trouble of forcing the user to manually open seven instances of the tool?

If you would like to work with multiple dates simultaneously, you would need to open the corresponding number of instances of the KVS Tool.

onlysuites Sep 9, 2015 4:16 am

KVS been a long subscriber and a fan of your tool but have had to recently stop using it due to moving over to a Mac. Yes I know I can use crossover but that just adds on cost and effort.

Do let me know if you ever do a mac version.

IMH Sep 9, 2015 7:43 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25396850)
For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool.

That may be so.

At what price point (A) x years on the market (B) x average number of paying customers (C) would it be reasonable to expect a moderately sophisticated tool? We know A and B. Even very conservative assumptions about C yield dollar figures that would pay for many, many hours of coding and product development.

Ducati Sep 9, 2015 4:05 pm


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25396850)
It finds the first instance of award availability over a 7 day period. Expert Flyer does the same thing over just a 3 day period, but doesn't show it in a 'nice little table". It just shows it in a linear fashion, one day at a time, but it does show availability over the 3 day period. For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool. Perhaps some other sites do this ???

Nice little table or a run-on sentence...doesn't really matter as long as the results are on a single screen. EF does return the results in a manner that makes sense.

And if memory serves me correctly, Expert Flyer shows availability over seven days, not three. You choose a date and select +/- three days. Maybe it's changed; I haven't used it in a very long time.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 25397815)

Originally Posted by Ducati
Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table?

A single day search can return as many as 100 different flight options. Combining the results across a 31-day period would result in "a nice little table" with 3000+ flights.

As noted previously, the [Award Calendar] is a completely different function and is currently supported by some Engines (including [Awards/AC-StarAlliance]).

Yes and a single day search can return as little as one flight. I would surmise that a single flight option is far more common than a result that had 100+ flights. Can't see why a paid tool couldn't limit the search results to something like ten per day for a seven-day period. That's only seventy. Not unreasonable at all.


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 25398787)

Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25396850)
For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool. Perhaps some other sites do this ???

That may be so.

At what price point (A) x years on the market (B) x average number of paying customers (C) would it be reasonable to expect a moderately sophisticated tool? We know A and B. Even very conservative assumptions about C yield dollar figures that would pay for many, many hours of coding and product development.

^ It's not like KVS just came out.

LifeTimeBronze Sep 9, 2015 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 25398047)
KVS been a long subscriber and a fan of your tool but have had to recently stop using it due to moving over to a Mac. Yes I know I can use crossover but that just adds on cost and effort.

Do let me know if you ever do a mac version.

See post #535

I've searched buit cannot find an answer.
What do codes L & C mean in this:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/...psr13xp4nf.png

KVS Sep 9, 2015 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by LifeTimeBronze (Post 25402818)
I've searched buit cannot find an answer.
What do codes L & C mean in this:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/...psr13xp4nf.png

Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting

Ducati Sep 10, 2015 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25392911)

Originally Posted by Ducati
That would be no different than going to BA's website and clicking each day and waiting for the results. I was thinking I would see a monthly calendar with the available days, like with United's website.

You do know that this is exactly what KVS is doing in the background? It simply logs in to BA.com using your supplied details , performs the searches and scrapes the results to display. (Which is in violation of BA.com T&C's which could be used to terminate your BA account...)

If you're wanting to look for BA award availability, the BA.com calendar view (NOT the award map calendar) would be much quicker and accurate.

I just caught that part. Has anyone's account ever been shut down? My BA login and password stopped working on the tool, so I had to create another acct. This KVS tool is worse than I originally thought.

JIMCHI Sep 10, 2015 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25407586)
I just caught that part. Has anyone's account ever been shut down? My BA login and password stopped working on the tool, so I had to create another acct. This KVS tool is worse than I originally thought.

It has been reported that "excessive use" of BA.com access will result in you being locked out. <redacted by moderator>

Ducati Sep 11, 2015 5:45 pm

How do you get a refund? It doesn't work anymore on BA.

JIMCHI Sep 11, 2015 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25412306)
How do you get a refund? It doesn't work anymore on BA.

I just ran a BA search using KVS. It worked fine for me.

onlysuites Sep 12, 2015 3:43 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25412438)
I just ran a BA search using KVS. It worked fine for me.

To be honest I never faced any issues too.

KVS Sep 12, 2015 9:52 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25412438)
I just ran a BA search using KVS. It worked fine for me.


Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 25413616)
To be honest I never faced any issues too.

Indeed, the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method continues to function normally.

IncyWincy Sep 13, 2015 3:20 am

I have been using KVS for some time (thank you KVS!)

Just noticed that the BA oneworld award results are not right. Eg, searching HKG-LHR on 5 Dec 2015 returns 1 seat in CX 257, 1 in CX 239 and 3 in CX 253 all for business class, but calling BA and using BA website tells me there are no award business seats.

What is going on?

Thank you.

Ducati Sep 13, 2015 5:40 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 25397815)
If you would like to work with multiple dates simultaneously, you would need to open the corresponding number of instances of the KVS Tool.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25412306)
How do you get a refund? It doesn't work anymore on BA.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 25414503)
Indeed, the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method continues to function normally.

So I was directed by you to open multiple instances of the tool, which caused my BA account to be locked as a result of conducting too many searches within a given time frame. No such disclaimer or warnings about such possibilities of a frequent flyer account lockout due to activity encouraged by you was given. But, according to you, everything is fine. Okay. :td:

KVS Sep 13, 2015 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by IncyWincy (Post 25417334)
I have been using KVS for some time (thank you KVS!).

We're glad you're continuing to enjoy your KVS Tool Membership!


Originally Posted by IncyWincy (Post 25417334)
Just noticed that the BA oneworld award results are not right. Eg, searching HKG-LHR on 5 Dec 2015 returns 1 seat in CX 257, 1 in CX 239 and 3 in CX 253 all for business class, but calling BA and using BA website tells me there are no award business seats.

Discrepancies of that nature are not technically possible -- could you please provide screenshot(s)?

[KVS Tool 7.8.9/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
SAT  05 Dec 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
CX        257    HKG  09:40    LHR  15:00              CS0  WS0  YS7
CX        239    HKG  12:05    LHR  17:30              FS/  CS2  WS0  YS9
CX        253    HKG  15:05    LHR  20:10              FS0  CS4  WS0  YS9

BA        32      HKG  23:30    LHR  04:50 +1          CS0  WS0  YS3
BA        28      HKG  23:45    LHR  05:00 +1          FS0  CS0  WS1  YS9
AY        70      HKG  00:45    HEL  05:45              FS/  CS1  WS/  YS1
 -> BA    795    HEL  07:40    LHR  09:00              FS/  CS+  WS/  YS+

http://i59.tinypic.com/fao5sp.png

nologic Sep 14, 2015 6:20 pm

Can you create a fare alert to notify us when a seat upon up on a certain flight in a certain paid or award class?

Viajero Millero Sep 15, 2015 11:28 am

FYI for Mac users. Installed PlayonMAC after the Crossover Trial expired. So far so good.

RedDevil83 Sep 17, 2015 3:55 am

unable to search for award availability on BA, it's saying there is a CAPTCHA verification required that is not supported

KVS Sep 17, 2015 8:25 am

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Such requests should be submitted to us directly via the [Contact Us] Form on the official KVS Tool Homepage.


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