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oliver2002 Aug 21, 2022 9:10 am

Awardnexus also scrapes the QF/BA/AC/NH Websites without asking for your QF/BA credentials. Also it's free :)

Note: if you disclose your QF/BA login info to KVS, the risk is all yours. When someone does something nefarious with them the airlines will wash their hands off the liability since you disclosed the data to someone.

ExpatExp Aug 22, 2022 2:37 am


Originally Posted by nologic (Post 34515009)
I have had very good experience with KVS for more than a decade.

Yes, same here. I am always surprised by how negatively some people on these boards feel about KVS. I have not had any serious problem with the tool and have found it very useful on a number of occasions. I would not hesitate to use it again if needed. I am sure some people feel differently.


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 34532901)
Awardnexus also scrapes the QF/BA/AC/NH Websites without asking for your QF/BA credentials.

I don't mind providing my credentials, but this is good to know -- thank you!

seawolf Aug 22, 2022 4:53 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 34530064)
Honorable? How can one be honorable given the business model and the number of reports of people paying and not receiving auth codes, etc. I'd question that.


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 34534685)
Yes, same here. I am always surprised by how negatively some people on these boards feel about KVS. I have not had any serious problem with the tool and have found it very useful on a number of occasions. I would not hesitate to use it again if needed. I am sure some people feel differently.

I don't mind providing my credentials, but this is good to know -- thank you!

Asking for subscriber credentials associated with accounts the subscriber is eligible for is one thing. Asking your own customers to create a fraudulent account is on a whole other level.

What started this was KVS was losing search functionality but instead of obtaining new data sources legitimately or just state this functionality is no longer available, KVS decided to ask it’s paying users to create fraudulent accounts on the FAU (Florida Atlantic University) travel site meant for its own users and without FAU consent.

KVS could have just created these fraudulent FAU account(s) itself and have subscribers’ searches funnel through these fake account(s) and its subscribers would have been none the wiser. KVS knew that if it went with that model, it would potentially open itself up to civil and criminal liability.

What does KVS do? It decides to knowingly and willfully have its paying subscribers create fraudulent FAU accounts so that customers like you can open yourself up to potential civil and criminal liability so that KVS can continue to profit.

That is why some of us have an issue with KVS.

Iggy_Type_R Aug 22, 2022 7:06 am

After a month of no response, no codes, etc I've filed a case with PayPal. Shame as it looks like a great tool!

sppe Aug 24, 2022 12:05 pm

It's been over a month with no response from KVS. I requested a refund from PayPal and it was approved immediately. Unfortunate since I really liked using KVS in the past, but this lack of customer service is ridiculous.

IncyWincy Aug 27, 2022 8:53 am

I have a subscription but the tool cannot be used anymore. The website www.kvstool.com is not even available. Sad.

hnewman Aug 28, 2022 6:08 am

It is up today.
 
Site is up today

IncyWincy Aug 28, 2022 9:57 am

Thank you for the news. Good to hear!

KVS,

Please do something about the CX search. It is NOT working.

With BA not showing anything non-BA it seems, JL not working and QF seemingly not working nothing works for One World redemption!

Please do something about CX awards then!

Thank you.

THR Aug 30, 2022 4:39 pm

Got a "friendly reminder" that I had placed an order. But unfortunately I never received the temporary nor permanent code. Have requested a refund. Will do a chargeback soon.

quikfire Aug 30, 2022 6:09 pm

Likewise, received the reminder email. How many businesses send out such emails? Yet with multiple emails all related to order and payment, the email containing the very key itself is not sent.

KVS Sep 12, 2022 3:34 pm

First of all, we would like to, once again, remind KVS Tool Members that this thread is not one of our official support channels. Please use the Contact Form on the official KVS Tool Homepage or e-mail us directly in order for us to be able to handle your inquiry promptly.

Furthermore, virtually all e-mail non-delivery issues appear to concern GMail users.


Originally Posted by exparagus (Post 34426908)
does KVS still work? i’m in need of a tool to search for *A J award RTW tickets. expert flyer isn’t a good option bc it doesn’t search multiple airlines at once. is this still working well?

It sure does and you can search for Award Availability across all *A member airlines at once.


Originally Posted by Gemba (Post 34441685)
it’s not an email issue as I received all the payment receipts etc. I’m also a long time kvstool subscriber and have been using the same email address. There’s nothing in my junk folder.

As we do not have your FT username on-file, please contact us directly so we can re-send your credentials to you via e-mail.


Originally Posted by EuropeanPete (Post 34443779)
Similar issue for me. I signed up for diamond on a new account a few days ago and haven't had anything back despite sending a follow up request. I've checked spam, etc.

We have already re-sent your credentials via e-mail. Please confirm receipt.


Originally Posted by alexthe5th (Post 34445686)
+1 for not getting a registration code after paying for access. Nothing in my spam folder. Silence from the KVS team after multiple emails and support requests.

We have just re-issued your credentials via e-mail. Please confirm receipt and welcome back to the KVS Tool!


Originally Posted by alexthe5th (Post 34445686)
And if you’re doing it in-house, seriously, just use SendGrid like every other app developer on the planet.

Thanks for the SendGrid recommendation -- we will look into it.


Originally Posted by sppe (Post 34466241)
I purchased a license on July 22 and never got a temp key. I applied for a permanent key and haven't received that either. I had previously used the same email address in 2019 and I got the temp and permanent key just fine.

We are sorry to hear that GMail had failed to deliver our e-mails to you. Please let us know if you have an alternative e-mail address.


Originally Posted by quikfire (Post 34530612)
To update, have just received my temporary code— it was manually forwarded to me.

Welcome to the KVS Tool!


Originally Posted by wrdouglas (Post 34514615)
So against all recommendations, I had KVS Tool and elected to purchase it again. So far so good. I got my temp code in about 30 seconds and so far, after I installed the latest version 10.4.1 Diamond it seems to be working well. I did have to put all my One World info into it, i.e. BA FF and Qanta FF. So far so good.

I have expert flier, but was unable to find a way to search for awards for more than 3 days at a time. With KVS, I can search 31 days from a specific date i.e. not today like expert flier.

We are glad you are enjoying your KVS Tool Membership and thanks for being a Member since 2010!


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 34514639)
I was wondering how one would search a date range like you stated?

Edited to Add: Got it - apparently a "new" feature:

Welcome back to the KVS Tool and thanks for being a Member since 2006!


Originally Posted by nologic (Post 34515009)
But in terms of thus being a legit business…they have always been honorable and responsive, IME. I am pretty sure the owner is an original/seasoned Flyertalk member.

Many thanks for your support of the KVS Tool Project over the past 14 years!


Originally Posted by THR (Post 34517921)
Should have checked here first. I just repurchased the tool/resubscribed and no temporary code received.

We have forwarded you another copy of your credentials e-mail. We are sorry to hear that GMail had failed to deliver our original e-mails to you.


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 34534685)
Yes, same here. I am always surprised by how negatively some people on these boards feel about KVS. I have not had any serious problem with the tool and have found it very useful on a number of occasions. I would not hesitate to use it again if needed. I am sure some people feel differently.

We are glad that you have enjoyed your KVS Tool Membership!


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 34534685)
I don't mind providing my credentials, but this is good to know -- thank you!

Please rest assured that all membership credentials are securely stored on your local machine (just like with any other locally-installed web browser application) and we do not have access to them.


Originally Posted by Iggy_Type_R (Post 34535052)
After a month of no response, no codes, etc I've filed a case with PayPal. Shame as it looks like a great tool!

Welcome to the KVS Tool. Please confirm receipt of your Membership credentials e-mail.


Originally Posted by hnewman (Post 34551781)
Site is up today

Our web server provider had a brief outage on 27 Aug 2022, which has since been resolved.


Originally Posted by IncyWincy (Post 34552229)
Thank you for the news. Good to hear!

KVS,

Please do something about the CX search. It is NOT working.

With BA not showing anything non-BA it seems, JL not working and QF seemingly not working nothing works for One World redemption!

Please do something about CX awards then!

We have updated the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Engine earlier on today -- please download KVS Tool V10.5.1 and let us know.

[Awards/QF-OneWorld] and [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engines continue to work normally also.

Regretfully, it appears that CX had de-comissioned its OneWorld Award Search Engine earlier on this month.

EuropeanPete Sep 13, 2022 11:23 am

Nothing received still.

KVS Sep 13, 2022 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by EuropeanPete (Post 34596884)
Nothing received still.

We have sent another copy now -- please confirm receipt.

RealtimeY Oct 3, 2022 2:17 am

I paid for the diamond membership over a week ago, but did not see the ridiculous warning about using free email providers. Have been unable to get in contact with the KVS team even through the contact form. Is this normal? I apologise in advance if I have misread another one of your rules about how to receive emails.

KVS Oct 3, 2022 2:53 pm


Originally Posted by RealtimeY (Post 34650161)
I paid for the diamond membership over a week ago, but did not see the ridiculous warning about using free email providers. Have been unable to get in contact with the KVS team even through the contact form. Is this normal? I apologise in advance if I have misread another one of your rules about how to receive emails.

We have not been able to locate any requests under your FT username.
If you still have not received your Temporary Credentials, please let us know.

vbroucek Oct 4, 2022 1:27 am


Originally Posted by RealtimeY (Post 34650161)
I paid for the diamond membership over a week ago, but did not see the ridiculous warning about using free email providers. Have been unable to get in contact with the KVS team even through the contact form. Is this normal? I apologise in advance if I have misread another one of your rules about how to receive emails.

Hahaha. 90% of netizens use free e-mail accounts...

CyberMew Nov 30, 2022 9:41 am

Removed

un1bomber Dec 15, 2022 7:11 am

Used KVS a few years ago and it usually worked quite well, error codes listed on site and usually able to self fix it. Fast forward a few years later and now without knowing all this drama I went ahead and bought a platinum since that is needed to check CX awards. Nothing works out of the box, error codes are not ones that are shown on their error diagnostic page. Filling the form on their site asking for help results in no replies for 4 days now. Am going through the payment method I used to try to get a refund. The support is extremely underwhelming as many in this thread have recently stated

WithIntent Dec 16, 2022 6:31 am


Originally Posted by RealtimeY (Post 34650161)
I paid for the diamond membership over a week ago, but did not see the ridiculous warning about using free email providers. Have been unable to get in contact with the KVS team even through the contact form. Is this normal? I apologise in advance if I have misread another one of your rules about how to receive emails.

Was this ever resolved for you? I'm having the same issue. Haven't been able to get any response including DMing here. Do I just have to issue a chargeback from on my credit card?

WithIntent Dec 16, 2022 6:34 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 34594431)
... this thread is not one of our official support channels. Please use the Contact Form on the official KVS Tool Homepage or e-mail us directly in order for us to be able to handle your inquiry promptly.

If this is not an official support channel, your contact form doesn't work, you don't publish an email address on your website, and you don't respond to DMs here, how are users who have paid $75 and not gotten access to the software supposed to get support?

RealtimeY Dec 16, 2022 9:07 am

I got my temporary code after posting here. The web form did not yield a response for me. I never did get my "permanent" registration code and just decided to write it off and be glad I didn't pay for a longer membership. I'd just lodge a chargeback if I were you. What else are you meant to do?

WithIntent Dec 16, 2022 9:22 am


Originally Posted by RealtimeY (Post 34839311)
I got my temporary code after posting here. The web form did not yield a response for me. I never did get my "permanent" registration code and just decided to write it off and be glad I didn't pay for a longer membership. I'd just lodge a chargeback if I were you. What else are you meant to do?

​​​
​​​So your temporary code expired, I take it? I guess I'll dispute with my bank. So crazy.

un1bomber Dec 16, 2022 8:35 pm

Contact form or email has yielded no replies. At this point I have bought the $75 package for close to a week and it has not functioned nor have I been able to get a reply from their contact form, their email or the refund request I sent through the amazonpay payment method.

Have to dispute with my bank which is a hassle. Horrible how KVS customer service has gotten to this point, I actually liked using the tool many years back.

WithIntent Dec 21, 2022 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by un1bomber (Post 34841084)
Contact form or email has yielded no replies. At this point I have bought the $75 package for close to a week and it has not functioned nor have I been able to get a reply from their contact form, their email or the refund request I sent through the amazonpay payment method.

Have to dispute with my bank which is a hassle. Horrible how KVS customer service has gotten to this point, I actually liked using the tool many years back.

Tried one last time to contact them by form and email, providing a non-gmail address for them to respond to and have still not heard anything back. On the phone to initiate the chargeback with my credit card right now.

KVS Dec 21, 2022 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by un1bomber (Post 34836187)
Used KVS a few years ago and it usually worked quite well, error codes listed on site and usually able to self fix it. Fast forward a few years later and now without knowing all this drama I went ahead and bought a platinum since that is needed to check CX awards. Nothing works out of the box, error codes are not ones that are shown on their error diagnostic page. Filling the form on their site asking for help results in no replies for 4 days now.

We are unable to match your FT username to any KVS Tool account. Please PM us with your e-mail address so that we can look into this matter.


Originally Posted by RealtimeY (Post 34839311)
I got my temporary code after posting here. The web form did not yield a response for me. I never did get my "permanent" registration code and just decided to write it off and be glad I didn't pay for a longer membership. I'd just lodge a chargeback if I were you. What else are you meant to do?

We are also unable to match your FT username to any KVS Tool account. Please PM us with your e-mail address so that we can look into this matter.

Please also note that the Temporary Registration Code that you have received will always continue to work until you receive your Permanent Credentials (regardless of the expiration date shown in the e-mail).


Originally Posted by WithIntent (Post 34854025)
Tried one last time to contact them by form and email, providing a non-gmail address for them to respond to and have still not heard anything back.

Thank you for providing a non-GMail address. We have now manually re-issued your Membership Credentials.

DrDrDr56 Dec 23, 2022 7:47 pm

hi!
i purchased an additional 12 months just for the temporary code to be sent to my new computer. sent a DM with the email
10 minutes, nothing so far.
Thanks!

DrDrDr56 Dec 24, 2022 11:07 am

KVS its really false advertising to say that if you just purchase a renewal we'll get a temporary code, when that isn't the case. 15 hours still nothing.

KVS Dec 25, 2022 8:23 am


Originally Posted by DrDrDr56 (Post 34859864)
hi!
i purchased an additional 12 months just for the temporary code to be sent to my new computer. sent a DM with the email
10 minutes, nothing so far.
Thanks!

As noted on the KVS Tool website, GMail will not deliver automatically-issued Temporary Credentials.

We have now issued your code manually.

HadesNL Jan 19, 2023 4:41 pm

Glad to discover this thread,

Phew, i'll just browse Miles&More the vintage way...

Thanks everyone for posting your warnings/ experiences !

SuperFlyBoy Jan 19, 2023 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by HadesNL (Post 34940320)
Glad to discover this thread,

Phew, i'll just browse Miles&More the vintage way...

Thanks everyone for posting your warnings/ experiences !

I have had no problems at all - other than slight delays at times with KVS...

In fact, using the Tool is *so much easier* than dealing with the M&M website or app (which uses the website ::facepalm::), which is hopeless - and they never fix it!

michaelpowell44 Jan 23, 2023 2:14 am

Is a download to a desktop/laptop required to become a KVS tool user? How can I do browser only?

vbroucek Jan 23, 2023 2:17 am


Originally Posted by michaelpowell44 (Post 34948901)
Is a download to a desktop/laptop required to become a KVS tool user? How can I do browser only?

Yes, you need to download and install a program on your computer - must be Windows or lot of extra work if another platform.

dubear Jan 26, 2023 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 34862895)
As noted on the KVS Tool website, GMail will not deliver automatically-issued Temporary Credentials.

We have now issued your code manually.

Why are these credentials being filtered by gmail?

golfmad Jan 26, 2023 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by dubear (Post 34959929)
Why are these credentials being filtered by gmail?

I cannot answer for KVS but I do have my own experience where gmail - unlike many other mail providers - will restrict files with certain content from being delivered. It also detects if file extensions are changed to try to bypass restrictions and also looks inside zip files to see whether the files within the zip meet gmail's rules.

vbroucek Jan 26, 2023 7:36 pm


Originally Posted by dubear (Post 34959929)
Why are these credentials being filtered by gmail?

Maybe Gmail knows what a shonky business KVS is running? 🤣😂🤣😁


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 34960582)
I cannot answer for KVS but I do have my own experience where gmail - unlike many other mail providers - will restrict files with certain content from being delivered. It also detects if file extensions are changed to try to bypass restrictions and also looks inside zip files to see whether the files within the zip meet gmail's rules.

Actually, when I was involved with Kevin (aka KVS) few years ago, he was using Gmail himself. Not sure what he is using nowadays though.

Rabauke Jan 27, 2023 10:34 am

I started using the KVS Tool this week. I used a non GMail adress and had no issues registering. However, I encountered some issues

- ANA Award search through partners only partially showed correct results. Checked with M&M/ AC / SQ (always wants Captchas!)
Sometimes I get a seat, sometimes shows no award availability
- Especially the Power Search does not work for me (or I don't know how to use it?). That would be a killer feature but he shows me no flights or just for one day even though I choose several days and I can see award availability (example SFO - HND)

SuperFlyBoy Jan 27, 2023 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by Rabauke (Post 34962521)
I started using the KVS Tool this week. I used a non GMail adress and had no issues registering. However, I encountered some issues

- ANA Award search through partners only partially showed correct results. Checked with M&M/ AC / SQ (always wants Captchas!)

No CAPTCHAs for M&M and AC for me.

Yes, SQ always requires *multiple* CAPTCHAs.

Not using ANA award search - no point for me to do so - I use AC/M&M primarily - and it's mostly *much better* than having to log into Aeroplan's or M&M's websites...

hurnik Jan 30, 2023 10:32 am


Originally Posted by vbroucek (Post 34960875)
Maybe Gmail knows what a shonky business KVS is running? 🤣😂🤣😁



Actually, when I was involved with Kevin (aka KVS) few years ago, he was using Gmail himself. Not sure what he is using nowadays though.

I know hotmail/outlook.com does something similar. Completely blocks (never shows in SPAM and the sender doesn't get a bounce-back either) for a lot of "verification" emails (ie, you create an account on some forum, it sends you an email verification link and you never get it). The one time I was able to get an admin (from the sending system) to look at the logs, it appeared that MS would reject/whack the connection if the email had "too many links/URL's" So I created a gmail account to get around that, but seems that Google is now doing something similar.

I know my Chase electronic statements periodically don't make it to Microsoft as I'm randomly getting snail mail from Chase saying they couldn't deliver to [email protected]

vbroucek Jan 30, 2023 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by hurnik (Post 34970526)
I know hotmail/outlook.com does something similar. Completely blocks (never shows in SPAM and the sender doesn't get a bounce-back either) for a lot of "verification" emails (ie, you create an account on some forum, it sends you an email verification link and you never get it). The one time I was able to get an admin (from the sending system) to look at the logs, it appeared that MS would reject/whack the connection if the email had "too many links/URL's" So I created a gmail account to get around that, but seems that Google is now doing something similar.

I know my Chase electronic statements periodically don't make it to Microsoft as I'm randomly getting snail mail from Chase saying they couldn't deliver to [email protected]

No, it doesn't work that way - I have been involved in administering mail servers including bulk mailing services (we were sending up to 200K mails a day) for some time and had to deal with Microsoft, Google, AWS, Yahoo and many others about that. It all depends on how well your mail server is set up (there are heaps of ways how to make sure your messages don't get dumped if you are legitimate business) and "reputation" of your servers.

If you run shonky business like KVS does than you cannot have all the required settings to have/gain good "reputation". Obfuscating your real location (is it Canada, USA or Bahamas or whatever country it is), misusing other business services etc, will not work.

hurnik Feb 1, 2023 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by vbroucek (Post 34972066)
No, it doesn't work that way - I have been involved in administering mail servers including bulk mailing services (we were sending up to 200K mails a day) for some time and had to deal with Microsoft, Google, AWS, Yahoo and many others about that. It all depends on how well your mail server is set up (there are heaps of ways how to make sure your messages don't get dumped if you are legitimate business) and "reputation" of your servers.

If you run shonky business like KVS does than you cannot have all the required settings to have/gain good "reputation". Obfuscating your real location (is it Canada, USA or Bahamas or whatever country it is), misusing other business services etc, will not work.

I guess Chase doesn't know how to setup a mail server then. BTW I was an email admin for a large government agency and I can assure you that the large providers (MS/Google) would block things (not let them through as Spam) and had nothing to do with the incoming IP "reputation score" (static Class B owned by a large State Government agency). Although trying to get ahold of someone at MS was a royal PITA.

Now we've migrated to O365 where all mail (there is no delineation between "internal" and "external" with O365 Gx tenants) gets treated the same. We've had repeated instances where "internal email" (ie, I send an email to my colleague right across from me) gets treated/marked as Spam.


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